More Swiss shooting - Page 2

Classic12 · October 17, 2020, 08:38 AM

Took some 9 mm European service pistols to the range this morning. Weather was fantastic nice temperature and great light and sunshine.

1952 SIG P210-4

1952 FN GP35

1986 Beretta 92F

2008 Glock 17 gen 3

**JohnKSa** · October 17, 2020, 05:04 PM

Four very different guns, but all fairly similar results on target even though no one would suggest that a Glock has the same accuracy potential as a SIG P210. An interesting lesson there.

Nice shooting!

Martowski · October 28, 2020, 09:06 AM

You have some amazing firearms... loved seeing this post. Thank you for sharing!

Classic12 · November 1, 2020, 04:29 PM

And another beautiful day in the Swiss country side

Unfortunately I didn’t know the range closed at 4 pm due to Covid instead of 5 pm so I had only half an hour instead of an hour and a half

2003 CZ 75 automatic (shot in semi auto)
1986 HM P7 M8
2017 Glock 19 gen 3

rock185 · November 1, 2020, 04:54 PM

Beautiful weather. Small world, my P7M8 is within a couple hundred serial numbers of yours.

FITASC · November 1, 2020, 05:11 PM

Is handloading a popular thing in Switzerland or do folks just buy factory ammo?

Classic12 · November 2, 2020, 03:22 AM

It is / was quite popular

But lately I’ve seen the price of components rise while price for factory ammo has decreased, reducing or negating savings when reloading

Brit · November 2, 2020, 05:14 AM

In spending two weeks in Europe, a stop in Lucerne? It seemed like litter was banned!
I never saw any, not a piece of trash. Never saw a vehicle run across the white line at traffic lights, ever. That same line in Orlando seems more of a suggestion.
Every young person seemed to speak way more than one language.
Fired my first Sig 210 in England when I joined my first Gun Club. I think I was 18 YOA?
Just had my 85 birthday! Who would have thought it?

Classic12 · November 16, 2020, 03:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rock185

Beautiful weather. Small world, my P7M8 is within a couple hundred serial numbers of yours.

Nice, thanks for posting it

Classic12 · November 16, 2020, 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brit

In spending two weeks in Europe, a stop in Lucerne? It seemed like litter was banned!
I never saw any, not a piece of trash. Never saw a vehicle run across the white line at traffic lights, ever. That same line in Orlando seems more of a suggestion.
Every young person seemed to speak way more than one language.
Fired my first Sig 210 in England when I joined my first Gun Club. I think I was 18 YOA?
Just had my 85 birthday! Who would have thought it?

We are taught that the white line is like a wall

Happy belated birthday

Classic12 · November 16, 2020, 03:10 AM

The last day at the range before it closed for the winter

Hämmerli 215

S&W 19-3

With vintage ammo

Sig P210-2

Sig P220

Waffenfabrik Bern Parabellum 06/29

Classic12 · November 16, 2020, 03:11 AM

3 generations of Swiss ordnance pistols

**Aguila Blanca** · November 16, 2020, 03:57 AM

Quote:

In spending two weeks in Europe, a stop in Lucerne? It seemed like litter was banned!

I was part of an educational tour of Europe the summer of 1960, when I was in high school. That was my perception everywhere we went in Switzerland -- the streets were exceptionally clean.

Then we went to Paris ...

Ugh!

**JohnKSa** · November 17, 2020, 12:21 AM

Beautiful pistols.

Ed4032 · November 17, 2020, 05:36 AM

I still want to come over and play.

Classic12 · November 19, 2020, 12:51 PM

Well more like shooting US guns this time

Indoor range 25 m pistols and 50 m rifle

I put fresh springs in the three USGI pistols. I won’t shoot them much but I had to make sure they function well and go bang

Colt 1911 (1913)

This one was hard work, the trigger breaks at 10 lbs

Colt 1911A1 (1943)

Remington Rand 1911A1 (1943)

ArmaLite AR-10 (1958)

Springfield Armory M1A (2011)

And some rapid fire at 50 m

First time firing this new to me rifle, worked flawlessly with 3 different brands of ammo, and felt great. The mass of the rifle absorbs the recoil nicely, especially compared to the light AR-10 which kicks noticeably more

Classic12 · December 25, 2020, 01:34 PM

Indoor range with a few toys

1987 Makarov

1939 Walther PPK

1943 S&W Victory

1943 Remington Rand

scoobysnacker · December 26, 2020, 02:25 AM

I've admired your posts here and on the S&W forums, you have some nice firearms!

The talk of ammo prices in Europe encourage me greatly, $200/1000 is (was) the standard price for 9mm S&B here in the US before this year's mess; and that remains my preferred brand. Seeing it stay "normal" over there tells me it will calm down here, and come back down in time. I should have enough stashed away to avoid paying for anything above that.

Classic12 · December 26, 2020, 01:45 PM

The last two Saturdays a couple of friends and I decided to do something different. We have access to the summer range since my buddies are in the shooting committee, one of them is actually the President of the Association and they have the keys. They also got the green light from the local authorities. The weather was fairly nice and mostly dry.

I picked up some solid frying pans from the junkyard. Some rattle can spray. You see where this is going.

We attached them with wire to the frame at the 50 m lanes (there’s also this little metallic arrow, and we shot some cigar tubes as well, those are challenging targets even with a scoped .22 and a little wind).

And off they go

This is what it looks like at 50 meters

We brought several guns with us and decided to limit it to .22 lr. since families like to stroll in this region and we didn’t want to be too much of a nuisance.

Scoped Savage Mark II bolt action (not pictured)
FN Trombone pump action

Scoped Ruger 10-22 semi auto

Sig P210 .22 lr conversion

AMT Lightning

One buddy brought this nice S&W 17-6 8 3/8”
and a semi auto FN in .22 short

Another buddy brought a CZ 457 bolt action rifle and his new Glock 44

Classic12 · December 26, 2020, 01:46 PM

Temperature is cold but the range is hot

We had a ton of (cheap) fun and blasted some 7-800 rounds..

Good thing I recently bought 5000 rounds at $ 90.-/1000

I also brought along my two Anacondas to show them to my friends. They couldn’t resist and insisted we put a couple of rounds with the 4”. I had some old Remington 240 JHP in the speedloaders

Went trough like butter

Another great shooting day in Switzerland.

Sanch · December 27, 2020, 01:10 AM

If Omega made guns like it makes watches, I'd sell every gun I own and buy Omega.

The Swiss are among the world's most skilled craftsmen.

I just can't seem to figure out how the Swiss manage to get holes in cheese.

Sanch · December 27, 2020, 01:16 AM

Happy New Year Classic12,

Which is your favorite handgun? What's your primary self-defense handgun?

Which is your favorite rifle?

Classic12 · December 27, 2020, 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sanch

If Omega made guns like it makes watches, I'd sell every gun I own and buy Omega.

The Swiss are among the world's most skilled craftsmen.

I just can't seem to figure out how the Swiss manage to get holes in cheese.

I believe the fermentation process creates bubbles in the cheese while it solidifies

Classic12 · December 27, 2020, 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sanch

Happy New Year Classic12,

Which is your favorite handgun? What's your primary self-defense handgun?

Which is your favorite rifle?

Thank you and happy New Year to you too

That’s a tough one, akin to choosing a favourite child but I probably have to say the Beretta 93 R, had it for over 20 years and still love it

My first rifle, bought 27 years ago, still an amazing look

But if I could keep only one I would retain the Colt XM 177 E2

I don’t really have a need for a self defence gun as I live in a very safe country and area and carry is severely restricted nowadays but I’d probably go with my Sig P229 in .357 Sig

Sanch · December 27, 2020, 12:32 PM

Happy New Year Classic12,

I agree with your choice of the Sig P229. It was by a massively huge margin that would dwarf the breadth of the Pacific Ocean the best on-duty handgun I've carried. That handgun redefined double-action semiauto consistency and reliability No revolver ever created -excluding Korth- is close to its equal. Mine is chambered for the .40 S&W, which is a very powerful cartridge.

However, my favorite handgun is the Springfield Armory TRP .45 ACP. Shooting one causes shooters to forget all other handguns. If you haven't fired a Springfield Armory TRP .45 ACP, I would suggest you do with the caveat that you'd become likely to retire all of your other handguns.

I don't have a rifle for self-defense. I do love the precision craftsmanship of Sako AV Classic big game rifles.

Switzerland has one of the lowest crimes rates in the world. I'm sure its government trusting its citizens with guns has a lot to do with Switzerland's nonexistent crime rate.

There's reason Omega was the first and only watch on the moon. There's darn good reason NASA astronauts relied upon and continue to rely upon Omega Speedmaster. A copy of Omega Speedmaster saved lives of Apollo 13 Astronauts. Omega is official timekeeper of IOC. I believe Omega is the still the most accurate chronometer in the world. Rolex has progressed substantially in precision. Had Rolex focused on precision rather than captivating bling-bling, it might have attained Omega's status as most accurate watch in world.

Three countries in the world produce the most precise everything: Germany, Switzerland, and USA. USA is impeded by marauding pettifoggers who're motivated to steal what others have earned and palm it off as justice.

October 17, 2020, 08:38 AM	#26
Classic12 Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2020 Posts: 696	More Swiss shooting Took some 9 mm European service pistols to the range this morning. Weather was fantastic nice temperature and great light and sunshine. 1952 SIG P210-4 1952 FN GP35 1986 Beretta 92F 2008 Glock 17 gen 3

October 17, 2020, 05:04 PM	#27
JohnKSa Staff Join Date: February 12, 2001 Location: DFW Area Posts: 24,994	Four very different guns, but all fairly similar results on target even though no one would suggest that a Glock has the same accuracy potential as a SIG P210. An interesting lesson there. Nice shooting! __________________ Do you know about the TEXAS State Rifle Association?

October 28, 2020, 09:06 AM	#28
Martowski Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2000 Location: Texas (By Way of Illinois) Posts: 1,376	You have some amazing firearms... loved seeing this post. Thank you for sharing! __________________ Midwestern Ramblings (my amateur firearms blog): http://martowski.wordpress.com/

November 1, 2020, 04:54 PM	#30
rock185 Senior Member Join Date: September 2, 2001 Location: Out West in Rim Country Posts: 1,093	Beautiful weather. Small world, my P7M8 is within a couple hundred serial numbers of yours. __________________ COTEP 640, NRA Life

November 1, 2020, 05:11 PM	#31
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,446	Is handloading a popular thing in Switzerland or do folks just buy factory ammo? __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

November 1, 2020, 04:29 PM	#29
Classic12 Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2020 Posts: 696	And another beautiful day in the Swiss country side Unfortunately I didn’t know the range closed at 4 pm due to Covid instead of 5 pm so I had only half an hour instead of an hour and a half 2003 CZ 75 automatic (shot in semi auto) 1986 HM P7 M8 2017 Glock 19 gen 3

November 2, 2020, 03:22 AM	#32
Classic12 Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2020 Posts: 696	It is / was quite popular But lately I’ve seen the price of components rise while price for factory ammo has decreased, reducing or negating savings when reloading

November 2, 2020, 05:14 AM	#33
Brit Senior Member Join Date: January 29, 2005 Location: Orlando FL Posts: 1,934	In spending two weeks in Europe, a stop in Lucerne? It seemed like litter was banned! I never saw any, not a piece of trash. Never saw a vehicle run across the white line at traffic lights, ever. That same line in Orlando seems more of a suggestion. Every young person seemed to speak way more than one language. Fired my first Sig 210 in England when I joined my first Gun Club. I think I was 18 YOA? Just had my 85 birthday! Who would have thought it?

November 16, 2020, 03:10 AM	#36
Classic12 Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2020 Posts: 696	The last day at the range before it closed for the winter Hämmerli 215 S&W 19-3 With vintage ammo Sig P210-2 Sig P220 Waffenfabrik Bern Parabellum 06/29

November 16, 2020, 03:11 AM	#37
Classic12 Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2020 Posts: 696	3 generations of Swiss ordnance pistols

November 17, 2020, 12:21 AM	#39
JohnKSa Staff Join Date: February 12, 2001 Location: DFW Area Posts: 24,994	Beautiful pistols. __________________ Do you know about the TEXAS State Rifle Association?

November 17, 2020, 05:36 AM	#40
Ed4032 Senior Member Join Date: January 13, 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 306	I still want to come over and play. __________________ Gun control is like stopping drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to drive.

November 19, 2020, 12:51 PM	#41
Classic12 Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2020 Posts: 696	Well more like shooting US guns this time Indoor range 25 m pistols and 50 m rifle I put fresh springs in the three USGI pistols. I won’t shoot them much but I had to make sure they function well and go bang Colt 1911 (1913) This one was hard work, the trigger breaks at 10 lbs Colt 1911A1 (1943) Remington Rand 1911A1 (1943) ArmaLite AR-10 (1958) Springfield Armory M1A (2011) And some rapid fire at 50 m First time firing this new to me rifle, worked flawlessly with 3 different brands of ammo, and felt great. The mass of the rifle absorbs the recoil nicely, especially compared to the light AR-10 which kicks noticeably more

December 25, 2020, 01:34 PM	#42
Classic12 Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2020 Posts: 696	Indoor range with a few toys 1987 Makarov 1939 Walther PPK 1943 S&W Victory 1943 Remington Rand

December 26, 2020, 02:25 AM	#43
scoobysnacker Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 2015 Posts: 235	I've admired your posts here and on the S&W forums, you have some nice firearms! The talk of ammo prices in Europe encourage me greatly, $200/1000 is (was) the standard price for 9mm S&B here in the US before this year's mess; and that remains my preferred brand. Seeing it stay "normal" over there tells me it will calm down here, and come back down in time. I should have enough stashed away to avoid paying for anything above that.

December 26, 2020, 01:45 PM	#44
Classic12 Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2020 Posts: 696	More Swiss shooting The last two Saturdays a couple of friends and I decided to do something different. We have access to the summer range since my buddies are in the shooting committee, one of them is actually the President of the Association and they have the keys. They also got the green light from the local authorities. The weather was fairly nice and mostly dry. I picked up some solid frying pans from the junkyard. Some rattle can spray. You see where this is going. We attached them with wire to the frame at the 50 m lanes (there’s also this little metallic arrow, and we shot some cigar tubes as well, those are challenging targets even with a scoped .22 and a little wind). And off they go This is what it looks like at 50 meters We brought several guns with us and decided to limit it to .22 lr. since families like to stroll in this region and we didn’t want to be too much of a nuisance. Scoped Savage Mark II bolt action (not pictured) FN Trombone pump action Scoped Ruger 10-22 semi auto Sig P210 .22 lr conversion AMT Lightning One buddy brought this nice S&W 17-6 8 3/8” and a semi auto FN in .22 short Another buddy brought a CZ 457 bolt action rifle and his new Glock 44 Last edited by Classic12; December 29, 2020 at 07:37 PM.

December 26, 2020, 01:46 PM	#45
Classic12 Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2020 Posts: 696	Temperature is cold but the range is hot We had a ton of (cheap) fun and blasted some 7-800 rounds.. Good thing I recently bought 5000 rounds at $ 90.-/1000 I also brought along my two Anacondas to show them to my friends. They couldn’t resist and insisted we put a couple of rounds with the 4”. I had some old Remington 240 JHP in the speedloaders Went trough like butter Another great shooting day in Switzerland.

December 27, 2020, 01:10 AM	#46
Sanch Senior Member Join Date: November 22, 2020 Posts: 154	If Omega made guns like it makes watches, I'd sell every gun I own and buy Omega. The Swiss are among the world's most skilled craftsmen. I just can't seem to figure out how the Swiss manage to get holes in cheese.

December 27, 2020, 01:16 AM	#47
Sanch Senior Member Join Date: November 22, 2020 Posts: 154	Happy New Year Classic12, Which is your favorite handgun? What's your primary self-defense handgun? Which is your favorite rifle?

December 27, 2020, 12:32 PM	#50
Sanch Senior Member Join Date: November 22, 2020 Posts: 154	Happy New Year Classic12, I agree with your choice of the Sig P229. It was by a massively huge margin that would dwarf the breadth of the Pacific Ocean the best on-duty handgun I've carried. That handgun redefined double-action semiauto consistency and reliability No revolver ever created -excluding Korth- is close to its equal. Mine is chambered for the .40 S&W, which is a very powerful cartridge. However, my favorite handgun is the Springfield Armory TRP .45 ACP. Shooting one causes shooters to forget all other handguns. If you haven't fired a Springfield Armory TRP .45 ACP, I would suggest you do with the caveat that you'd become likely to retire all of your other handguns. I don't have a rifle for self-defense. I do love the precision craftsmanship of Sako AV Classic big game rifles. Switzerland has one of the lowest crimes rates in the world. I'm sure its government trusting its citizens with guns has a lot to do with Switzerland's nonexistent crime rate. There's reason Omega was the first and only watch on the moon. There's darn good reason NASA astronauts relied upon and continue to rely upon Omega Speedmaster. A copy of Omega Speedmaster saved lives of Apollo 13 Astronauts. Omega is official timekeeper of IOC. I believe Omega is the still the most accurate chronometer in the world. Rolex has progressed substantially in precision. Had Rolex focused on precision rather than captivating bling-bling, it might have attained Omega's status as most accurate watch in world. Three countries in the world produce the most precise everything: Germany, Switzerland, and USA. USA is impeded by marauding pettifoggers who're motivated to steal what others have earned and palm it off as justice.