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July 21, 2017, 07:35 AM | #51 |
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AGTMAN's post got me to thinking,
There was actually a very old German court case that hinged on a simplistic idea. "There is the right and there is the wrong. Never need the right yield to the wrong." Someone trying to force their way into your home or force you where you do not want to go is, with some exception, likely of ill-intent. The comment on cheating and winning reminded me of some basis rules of non-consensual unarmed combat: A) Arm yourself and B) win |
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The potential outcomes for being taken prisoner in your own home with your family are pretty horrendous. Preventing a home invasion from being successful by breaking it up in the early moments, even at a relatively high cost, makes a lot of sense.
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From what I've read in various places, and from the more recent news reports, the most likely targets of home invasions are those who are known to have cash or easily fenced valuables. When the stats say that the perpetrators are known to the victims, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's relatives, close friends, or business associates. If I remember correctly, Massad Ayoob made that point in one of his books - the perpetrator may be the supermarket bag boy who sees the victim always paying in cash; the clean up crew member who notes that the store owner takes the more valuable jewelry home with him, etc. These are all "known" but not close.
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. . . Or the pizza delivery person who sees you pay with a wad of cash. The fewer outsiders know about you the better.
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Honestly though, I've heard of just as many 'wrong address' break in's from some meth head who's 'sure' you're loaded with cash somewhere. Heck even the police kick in the wrong door fairly often...
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I assert I certainly will - and I'll not only know it, but I'll likely know it in the opening seconds of the event. What's more is that in the same post you tell me I'm "never gonna know" their motives, you proceed to tell me exactly how I will know what their motives are. Quote:
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But ya got me, Maybe you're worthy of ransom.. or maybe they'll just keep you captive and run you to atm to atm.. who knows what happens in the end. You've uncovered my flawed logic.. by all means if a strange van pulls up and offers you candy go with them. |
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Decades ago my wife and i survived two home invasions. The first home invasion was by two career criminals who followed my wife home from work. They wanted her body. Scumbags kicked in the front door, whereupon my wife shot the first one between the eyes with a .357 magnum. A piece of his skull the size of a half dollar was lying in the entrance way. i grabbed a loaded 16 gauge shotgun and shot the second guy who was trying to get his gun into play. He died in prison many years later. |
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I would not expect the argument to work in today's courts in any of the western world. German law, even back then, was changed shortly after to give protections to children - even those who were "in the wrong" |
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How did you know what they wanted im curious?; Was they screaming their intent? It didn't sound like you gave them much time to explain their motives.. nor should you have. What happen in the 2nd incident Im kinda curious if you don't mind sharing. |
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A google search, done by a legal novice, indicates OK has no statue of limitations on murder charges. I would assume most self defense defenses are used in regards to murder charges
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/...b7Kz&ocid=iehp
Use whatever works and the sooner the better !! She was thinking ! Not hysterical.
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Good on the young lady for escaping from the cretins. i hope the prosecutor goes after the kidnappers with a vengeance.
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I think too often people think of the best way to survive a situation. I am in the camp that looks at creating a situation that I could live with the outcome of. I would rather be killed facing an attacker and doing everything I could then left begging for the life of my family. To willingly submit and allow oneself to be incapacitated through restrain is not high on the list of things I predict myself doing.
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That's snowflake logic -- be nice to him and he won't hurt you !
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It should be considered the answer here is country specific. US K&R is rare and death is very likely. Many foreign places it is common and best bet is to go with and pay ransom. |
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