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The SF is cheaper.
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Gen4's come with three.
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So you pay over $40 more and get a $20 magazine.
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I’m pretty happy with the Gen4 G22 I picked up recently, police surplus. Like new, with night sights, for $300.
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If so I'd like to pick your brain about that 6" slide and barrel for G21. I have a G21 for which I have always dreamed of doing the same thing, so I can use it for hunting (with 45 Super). |
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![]() The retail MAP difference between a 20SFgen3 and 20gen4 is $33. And as noted "IN PART" the difference is due to the extra magazine. -The Gen 4 comes with a better grip texture IMO. -The Gen 4 comes with the ability to fit a wider range of hands with e different grip adapters. -The Gen 4 has the ability to accept grip adapters with extended beavertail. -The Gen 4 has a different recoil spring assembly as well. Better IMO For many those features are well worth the $33 difference and hey...they get an extra magazine too! Now, you may not see value in any of that. But saying "So you pay over $40 more and get a $20 magazine" isn't the least bit accurate. ***BTW...I don't own a single Gen 4 Glock. I'm happy with my Gen 3's.
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tom,
You left out what I think is the vastly superior mag release on the G4s. Dave
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So a $33 magazine, combined with grip accessories I don't want, is a good deal? I don't see it. I saved money and got what I wanted.
I have had Glock springs fail on me, so I am not interested in whatever it is they did with the new generation. I was going to look for an aftermarket spring. It has always amazed me that Glock made great guns with unreliable springs. I have to wonder if anyone has been killed because a Glock spring fell apart during a shootout. It's very upsetting when it happens. You think, "What if this hadn't happened at the gun range?" Maybe they're wonderful now, but two failures out of four guns are enough. I don't see any point in buying a more-expensive gun I don't want so I try Glock's new spring. I have never had any problems with Glock magazine releases. I didn't know there was anything wrong with them.
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Well, I find the new spring set up in the Gen4 G22 to be a noticeable improvement over the Gen3 G23 I once owned. And, the Gen4 grip texture is a big improvement to me. I was always happy with my Gen3 G17 and G26. I probably wouldn’t own a Gen4 if cheap police surplus hadn’t made it possible.
I like the grip alone enough to make me sell my beloved G26 and get a Gen 4 or 5 G26 to replace it. Having owned five Glocks over a couple decades and in different models and calibers, I never had a single spring problem of any kind whatsoever.
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I don't even know what generations my Glocks are. It's not a big concern. I only came here to ask about the SF guns because the "short frame" designation sounded sketchy, like they had shrunk some important part in order to save money.
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I have wonderful news for the folks who think I should have gone with a Generation 4. Gander Outdoors sat on my order for so long, I decided to cancel it. Generally, my experiences with this outfit have been very good, but this one was not. They hold firearm orders for three days before processing them, which is insane.
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I think I will take a break and let someone else respond to your interesting posts for now.
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Yep, I'm in a valley S/W of the Denver Metro Area, about 5 miles south of Morrison and Red Rocks. I use the Jarvis 45 cal barrel for shooting 45 Super in mine as well as the KKM 45-10MM barrel for my 10mm loads. Shoot me a PM with your phone number if you are close and want to talk about it.
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As to holsters, it fits just fine in both my leather open nose Don Hume Paddle Holster made for a G20 that I use as my range holster as well as my leather Yaki Slide holster I use for 'woods walking' to keep it tight to my body. BTW, my 'nuclear' 165grn handloads chrono at 1,589fps out of my G20L at my range at 6,100ft asl on an 84° day. That's 925ft/lbs of ME and with the longer sight radius it gives me the ability to 'plink' steel plates at 200yds. ![]() ![]() |
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Glock G20 SF / G21 SF
![]() the G20 & 21 SF models are noticeably smaller in the back of the grip. SF (Short Frame) |
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Dave T.
Your comment on the better mag release on the Gen 4? When I first put some rounds downrange, my Mag release bit my second finger. A wee snip with a sharp knife...Fixed. What amazes me, is the finish on the slide. First off it is just black! And with no blemish anywhere! Made in Austria. I know many people did not like the finger groves (That's why they did away with them!) I like them. My latest 43X Nickle plated (Looks like that) slide has no finger grooves, that feels fine also. My first two 15 round Magazines from Shield, do not lock the slide back on the last round. The second two, my buddy just bought 4, two for me. They both lock the slide back? Look exactly the same. I wish Glock would make extended slide lock levers for the 43X(release) as they did for my 4th gen G19. I watched a team Glock shooter? His name escapes me, changing magazines in an IDPA match! So fast. So I bought one. A bit of trivia, a firearms instructor, from Toronto Police, had the Officers on the range, jack the slide if the slide closed when replacing a magazine. The force of the mag change closed it? And the shorter closing distance would cause a misfire? When the parts wear, that happens. Every time with my Gen 4 Glock 19! Never had a failure to fire, ever. |
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