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March 28, 2018, 10:25 PM | #1 | |
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Oregon Initiative 43 passes first step; complete ban on all modern guns...
thought I would share what were facing here in Oregon. Citizens collected enough signatures to move forward towards getting a complete ban on all modern defensive type firearms. There does appear to be some kind of grandfather clause for current owners who don't want to surrender their guns, but I'm calling it a complete ban as I currently understand it because moving forward its total prohibition on all modern guns. I'm not the best at legalese but as I understand it the ban includes ALL semi-auto guns not just "assault" rifles... correct me if I'm wrong.
A good write up explaining it in simple terms can be found on the NRA's website here: https://www.nraila.org/articles/2018...e-ballot-box-1 Quote:
heres a local news article about it for more reference: http://katu.com/news/investigators/c...utomatic-sales
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March 28, 2018, 10:37 PM | #2 |
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Just wondering as I read this - as far as gun laws today, is Oregon currently one of the "free states" or are they already heavily regulated today?
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March 28, 2018, 10:56 PM | #3 | |
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The problem is Oregon has become a blue state since the late 80s and has remained solid blue with our politics being controlled by the 2 major population centers notably Portland. The last several years has been a constant onslaught battle of fighting gun laws and mostly losing. If they gather the 86000 signatures required by June, this Initiative 43 will be up for vote on the November ballot and Portland alone will easily sign that many IMO.
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March 28, 2018, 10:57 PM | #4 |
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So if this law passes, Oregonians with carry permits will have to carry single action revolvers?
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March 28, 2018, 11:21 PM | #5 | |
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it appears this will prohibit "assault" style rifles, pistols, and magazines over 10rds.
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March 28, 2018, 11:48 PM | #6 |
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From how the NRA-ILA description makes it sound, it would be a standard assault weapons ban as we have in the other ban states. Which unfortunately means that there won't be a shot in hell at getting it undone by a court, because the 9th Circuit will uphold it and the Supreme Court won't touch the issue right now. If it is a standard AWB, you will still be able to possess AR-15s, but they will have to have one of those stupid stocks and only a 10 round magazine.
Some anti-gun commentators have said that the SCOTUS won't touch the assault weapons issue because they think it reasonable, but I wonder myself if the reason they won't touch it is because the justices on both sides are afraid that the ruling might go the other way. For example, since Heller and McDonald were both 5-4 decisions, some of the conservatives on the Court are probably afraid it might end up 5-4 in favor of the AWB and some of the liberals probably fear it might end up 5-4 striking it down, and thus striking down all AWBs across the country. |
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so a quick follow up after reading the text as it currently stands, it will prohibit "assault" style rifles, pistols, shotguns, and magazines over 10rds. Current owners will be allowed to keep them if they register them with the state. I don't see anything prohibiting carrying existing registered magazines that hold over 10rds.
I mentioned earlier that Oregon is "mostly" a free state regarding guns... what that means is the gun control laws being pushed on use so far have not actually prohibited us from owning or carrying most any modern firearm including magazines over 10 round capacity. Most of our gun control lately have been like safe storage laws (Portland), universal background checks and extreme risk protection orders. so what this initiative means if passed as it stands is... >a full prohibition of "assault" style rifles, shotguns and pistols (AR pistols) >full prohibition of magazines over 10 rds >full registration of existing (grandfathered) guns and magazines
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March 29, 2018, 08:18 AM | #9 |
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The initiative is going to be on the ballot or so it appears. At this point those in Oregon have to fight the battle in front of them and take what positives they can. The best outcome: it is soundly defeated.
Look there are a lot of people in Oregon who are heavily concerned with governmental over reach at multiple levels of government. It is time for those who think that gun control is a dichotomous party line issue to make "strange bedfellows" and stand united. I hope the preceding statement did not cross too far into the political line - its hard to discuss ballot initiatives without touching on politics. |
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However, the law is NOT just about ARs and AKs. As I discussed in the other thread on this topic, as I read the proposed law:
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March 29, 2018, 08:36 AM | #11 | |
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If we argue "well this includes other military rifles other than the AR15" those supporting such a ban are likely to respond that is the point. |
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March 29, 2018, 09:56 AM | #12 | |
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The purpose of my post was merely to point out that this ISN'T just another attempt to reimpose the AWB, or even a slightly more stringent version thereof. This bill is MUCH worse.
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March 29, 2018, 09:58 AM | #13 |
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It is a full prohibition moving forward.
Grandfathered items cannot be sold.... And will be prohibited next time...
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March 29, 2018, 10:15 AM | #14 | |
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It doesn't directly deprive anyone of property so that prevents one challenge. Because there is no "mass turn in" there is not the political issues associated with demanding it. If I have something on the list what becomes of it when I die? My children are prohibited from taking possession because that would be a transfer. It really is a genius move because it accomplishes the goal while eliminated some of the challenges. |
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March 29, 2018, 10:44 AM | #15 |
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IMO what is being described in Oregon is the fault of the 2A hard liners. The never capitulators. The slipper slopers. Reasonable compromises exist for those who are not too stubborn to pursue them.
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Remember a good share of voters do not care about a particular politicians stance on gun control. They have other issues that are more central to them. |
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March 29, 2018, 11:00 AM | #17 |
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Oregon wants to be the spearhead of __________ laws, they are in competition to catch up and surpass the other ________ states in passing these types of laws. If it’s a __________ idea and it gets on the ballot, it will pass. Constitutionality not even considered.
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What, in your opinion is a "reasonable" compromise?? Because I'm fairly certain at this point, that your idea of reasonable is different from mine. So, lets have your idea of what reasonable is, and I'll give you mine, and THEN, we can have a discussion.
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There hasnt been a single year go by in Oregon that hasnt included a gun control initiative that state 2A "hardliners" fight, all without any outside funding or help from the NRA.
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As I posted in another thread, they want a big bite this time. The bigger bite they want, the bigger compromise someone gives them. That’s what’s so dangerous about this time.
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March 29, 2018, 11:30 AM | #21 |
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There is no compromise on a ballot initiative (again correct me if I am wrong). Its dichotomous. It is either voted in or not. There may be problems with this one that end up being struck down for other reasons but a ballot initiative is not an opening to compromise.
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March 29, 2018, 11:42 AM | #22 |
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You’re right, I was commenting on the generic demands the anti gun folks are raising this go around.
I suspect if it gets to the ballot, it will pass. Even if the voters don’t care about guns, they’ll vote against as a partisan issue, the real reason is payback for 2016 pure and simple. Oregon is awash in guns, but I5 corridor makes the rules. |
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Can someone familiar with OR law explain to me:
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The other party does have something to give up. He has the power to take away your constitutional right which he can negotiate away. If you would stop putting him down and respect his power, you could come to a better place for all.
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