What Filler and Grease do you recommend for loading? - Page 2

mykeal · June 11, 2014, 04:32 PM

I agree with Hawg 1000%.

Priority No. 1: NO AIR GAP between powder and ball.

Priority No. 27: ball loaded as close to mouth of chamber as possible.

What need to do, in order to answer your question about loading the ball close to the chamber mouth, is forget about the internet 'experts' and shoot some balls.

Load all six with powder (as much or as little as you want), wad and ball, placing the ball as deep in the chamber as needed to ensure no air gap. That is, firmly on top of the wad and the wad firmly on top of the powder.

Shoot it, from a rest and measure your group size.

Repeat, except use enough inert filler to place the ball close to the chamber mouth - load powder (the same amount as above), then wad, placed firmly on powder, then filler, firmly on wad, then ball, firmly on filler.

Shoot it again, from a rest and measure the group size.

Then reflect on the results. And if you have any more questions, set up a test to see what happens.

And post the results here.

DD4lifeusmc · June 12, 2014, 10:29 AM

no filler. charge your load enough so filler is not necessary.
Grease, naw I wouldn't use that.
A lube for BP on the otherhand ok.
Years ago CVA made patch grease it was good.
Today we have T.C. Bore butter, a little too soft for lube or over ball
but ok when rubbed into a patch.
Same with wonder lube and a few others.
If you want an overball lube, which really isn't necessary if you loaded right to begin with.
Beewax and tallow everybody will have their favorite ratio, and type of tallow.
Tallow is just lard = refined animal fat.
Use what is easiest to get and priced for your pocket book.
start with 50 / 50 and adjust for your needs and desires.

maillemaker · June 12, 2014, 11:26 AM

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no filler. charge your load enough so filler is not necessary.

You may not be able to achieve maximum accuracy this way.

For example, my Colt Walker shoots best accuracy with 45 grains of powder. It will hold 60.

I don't know if my loading ram will push the ball deep enough to seat on 45 grains of powder.

I use filler to make up the difference.

Steve

North East Redneck · June 12, 2014, 05:48 PM

Used to use filler. I don't believe its needed. Powder, ox wad, ball. Shoots well, no need to mess with it.
I can't say that seating the ball closer to the chamber mouth produces any more accuracy. Perhaps in target matches it does help. For myself I'm not going to bother with it again.

Hawg · June 12, 2014, 07:40 PM

I guess I'm an odd ball. As long as I can hit Coke cans offhand at 25 yards more often than not I couldn't care less about how well it groups. I'm not a paper puncher. About the only time I punch paper is with a new gun to see how it shoots or sighting in. Punching paper bores me to tears. If that's all I could do I wouldn't even bother to shoot.

The Harmonica Kid · June 21, 2014, 06:35 PM

Theres that age old blackpowder wonder thats also a snack: Crisco

Hawg · June 21, 2014, 06:44 PM

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Theres that age old blackpowder wonder thats also a snack: Crisco
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You snack on lard?

maillemaker · June 23, 2014, 02:28 PM

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As long as I can hit Coke cans offhand at 25 yards more often than not I couldn't care less about how well it groups.

But if you want to hit that can more often than not then you do care about the group. The group has to be smaller than a can at 25 yards or more often than not you'll miss.

You just have a different means of measuring your group size.

Personally, I don't care what the target is as long as I can hit a 4" circle at 15 yards, and the closer to center the better. Paper, clay pigeons, ceramic tiles, it's all good as long as I can hit it.

I'm going to do some experiments to determine the maximum load possible without filler that results in the ball seating on the powder. Then I am going to do some load work-ups with loads from that point to maximum with no filler and see what kinds of groups are produced. I'll do this with a Pietta 1860, Pietta 1858, and Uberti Walker.

Steve

Gaz_in_NZ · June 23, 2014, 03:38 PM

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I'm going to do some experiments to determine the maximum load possible without filler that results in the ball seating on the powder. Then I am going to do some load work-ups with loads from that point to maximum with no filler and see what kinds of groups are produced. I'll do this with a Pietta 1860, Pietta 1858, and Uberti Walker.

Steve

I look forward to reading your results.

Cheers
Gaz

kwhi43 · June 23, 2014, 07:40 PM

This is 10 shots fired last week at the Nationals at Friendship Indiana at
25 yds with a Remington revolver by a English friend of mine. We all load
the same way to achieve accuracy like this.

Gaz_in_NZ · June 23, 2014, 08:05 PM

Which Remy and what are your loads?

Cheers
Gaz

kwhi43 · June 23, 2014, 08:55 PM

PM sent.

maillemaker · June 23, 2014, 09:35 PM

What are your loads?

Steve

fdf · June 24, 2014, 05:04 AM

Folks like to say their way is the best when killing cans.

But if you watch the Masters and High Masters, they all load the same.

Takes a 95 at 25 yards to be on the board and 85 at 50 yards. I am slowly closing in.

kwhi43 · June 24, 2014, 06:05 AM

I really perfer not to list loads. Everybody has their own perfect load they use.
And that is good. Can shooting is a lot different than trying to get the very best
out of your revolver at 50 yds in competition shooting. Both are having fun and
that's what it's all about. If I were to post loads and method of loading it would
only start arguments. We need more fun. I will say I and the guys I shoot with
at the Nationals all load the same. We all use the same load also. There are no
secrets .

maillemaker · June 24, 2014, 08:34 AM

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I really perfer not to list loads.

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There are no secrets.

Steve

mrappe · June 26, 2014, 06:56 PM

Shooting my Pietta 58 Rems I stopped using lube over the balls and started using cornmeal between the powder and the ball. It is less of a hassle and the ball sits closer to the barrel. If i do put any lube over the ball I mix Crisco, Beeswax and Borebutter together. The problem is that in the Texas summer heat the Crisco & Borebutter just turn to liquid and I have to add more beeswax and in the Winter it is too hard to squeeze out of my big Cajun syringe.

June 12, 2014, 10:29 AM	#27
DD4lifeusmc Senior Member Join Date: October 12, 2012 Location: Wyoming Posts: 351	filler / grease no filler. charge your load enough so filler is not necessary. Grease, naw I wouldn't use that. A lube for BP on the otherhand ok. Years ago CVA made patch grease it was good. Today we have T.C. Bore butter, a little too soft for lube or over ball but ok when rubbed into a patch. Same with wonder lube and a few others. If you want an overball lube, which really isn't necessary if you loaded right to begin with. Beewax and tallow everybody will have their favorite ratio, and type of tallow. Tallow is just lard = refined animal fat. Use what is easiest to get and priced for your pocket book. start with 50 / 50 and adjust for your needs and desires.

June 21, 2014, 06:35 PM	#31
The Harmonica Kid Member Join Date: June 14, 2014 Posts: 26	Theres that age old blackpowder wonder thats also a snack: Crisco __________________ USMC 0311 Jesusfreak Wheelgunner for life Where the hell do you put the bayonet? (Chestey Puller, upon seeing his first flamethrower)

June 11, 2014, 04:32 PM	#26
mykeal Senior Member Join Date: October 8, 2006 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 2,772	I agree with Hawg 1000%. Priority No. 1: NO AIR GAP between powder and ball. Priority No. 27: ball loaded as close to mouth of chamber as possible. What need to do, in order to answer your question about loading the ball close to the chamber mouth, is forget about the internet 'experts' and shoot some balls. Load all six with powder (as much or as little as you want), wad and ball, placing the ball as deep in the chamber as needed to ensure no air gap. That is, firmly on top of the wad and the wad firmly on top of the powder. Shoot it, from a rest and measure your group size. Repeat, except use enough inert filler to place the ball close to the chamber mouth - load powder (the same amount as above), then wad, placed firmly on powder, then filler, firmly on wad, then ball, firmly on filler. Shoot it again, from a rest and measure the group size. Then reflect on the results. And if you have any more questions, set up a test to see what happens. And post the results here.

June 12, 2014, 05:48 PM	#29
North East Redneck Senior Member Join Date: June 6, 2012 Location: Berkshire Hills Posts: 741	Used to use filler. I don't believe its needed. Powder, ox wad, ball. Shoots well, no need to mess with it. I can't say that seating the ball closer to the chamber mouth produces any more accuracy. Perhaps in target matches it does help. For myself I'm not going to bother with it again.

June 12, 2014, 07:40 PM	#30
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,190	I guess I'm an odd ball. As long as I can hit Coke cans offhand at 25 yards more often than not I couldn't care less about how well it groups. I'm not a paper puncher. About the only time I punch paper is with a new gun to see how it shoots or sighting in. Punching paper bores me to tears. If that's all I could do I wouldn't even bother to shoot.

June 23, 2014, 07:40 PM	#35
kwhi43 Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2008 Location: Kansas City Posts: 1,393	This is 10 shots fired last week at the Nationals at Friendship Indiana at 25 yds with a Remington revolver by a English friend of mine. We all load the same way to achieve accuracy like this.

June 23, 2014, 08:05 PM	#36
Gaz_in_NZ Senior Member Join Date: September 3, 2012 Location: 40 miles North of Wellington, NZ Posts: 196	Which Remy and what are your loads? Cheers Gaz

June 23, 2014, 08:55 PM	#37
kwhi43 Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2008 Location: Kansas City Posts: 1,393	PM sent.

June 23, 2014, 09:35 PM	#38
maillemaker Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2010 Posts: 1,635	What are your loads? Steve

June 24, 2014, 05:04 AM	#39
fdf Senior Member Join Date: August 27, 2013 Posts: 117	Folks like to say their way is the best when killing cans. But if you watch the Masters and High Masters, they all load the same. Takes a 95 at 25 yards to be on the board and 85 at 50 yards. I am slowly closing in.

June 24, 2014, 06:05 AM	#40
kwhi43 Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2008 Location: Kansas City Posts: 1,393	I really perfer not to list loads. Everybody has their own perfect load they use. And that is good. Can shooting is a lot different than trying to get the very best out of your revolver at 50 yds in competition shooting. Both are having fun and that's what it's all about. If I were to post loads and method of loading it would only start arguments. We need more fun. I will say I and the guys I shoot with at the Nationals all load the same. We all use the same load also. There are no secrets .

June 26, 2014, 06:56 PM	#42
mrappe Senior Member Join Date: January 29, 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 256	Shooting my Pietta 58 Rems I stopped using lube over the balls and started using cornmeal between the powder and the ball. It is less of a hassle and the ball sits closer to the barrel. If i do put any lube over the ball I mix Crisco, Beeswax and Borebutter together. The problem is that in the Texas summer heat the Crisco & Borebutter just turn to liquid and I have to add more beeswax and in the Winter it is too hard to squeeze out of my big Cajun syringe.