Speaking of Glocks...... - Page 2

ME262 · September 4, 2021, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharkbite

Back when i was teaching, the “limp wrist” issue was just starting to be talked about. So, we took a Glock 19 and TRIED to get it to fail due to a weak/loose grip.

You had to have a seriously loose grip to induce stoppages. I suppose, if you were holding the gun in an already injured single-handed grip its possible this might be a problem.

Otherwise i think “limp wristing” is more of a problem on the internet then on the streets

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_Uqtz2asE4

TunnelRat · September 4, 2021, 11:41 PM

I've seen that video, in fact I have comments on it from when it was released. I've shot Glocks for thousands of rounds (I'd guess close to 30k) over a number of years. I have absolutely seen limpwrist failures in Glock. Similar to Sharkbite, when it happened the grip was so loose that the shot was unlikely to hit and frankly the person was almost a danger to himself. I have shot them two handed, one handed, one handed weak hand, on and on. Absent me deliberately trying to cause a limpwrist malfunction I haven't had it happen to me. I have also seen it with other pistols as well. The only true prevention for a limpwrist failure is to carry a revolver.

ME262 · September 5, 2021, 02:03 AM

TR -. No point pursuing this further here, but like i said there's no telling what kind of grip u might have in an emergency/panic situation or struggle. I agree about revolvers of course. I've found Glocks particularly bad in this regard, and yet i still like them but understand their possible limitations. The one Glock that I've had experience with that was the exception was the model 33 .357 SIG. I was unable to make that one fail to fire no matter how weakly i held it.

TunnelRat · September 5, 2021, 08:01 AM

I get your point and I also have had pistols that were less susceptible to limp wristing than Glocks. My point was in my experience my grip had to be so loose as to practically be a danger to myself, and you see that to an extent in the video you linked. I’ve done tens of defensive firearms courses as well as multiple days of force on force training. In all of that my grip was never so bad as to cause what you’re describing, even when rushing to the point where I was beyond my ability to deliver accurate hits. Establishing a decent grip on a pistol is important not just for function but also for your ability to deliver multiple shots on target.

Now in the event you were shot in the hand your grip could well be compromised and cause a malfunction, but I would suggest switching to your other hand in that event (which is why weak hand shooting is a good skill to practice).

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9x19 · September 5, 2021, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ME262

He rolls his eyes.

OK, so what are the 57 or 58 things that u think r more important?

The 56 or so other things which led to my survival being dependent on how strongly I can grip my pistol... limp-wristed-induced-malfunctions-in-a-Glock has proven to be a non issue for me.

Jeff #111 · September 5, 2021, 04:46 PM

I've been carrying the Glock 19 (Gen 3 and Gen 4) as my duty sidearm since 2006. I wasn't crazy about having to give up my SIG P220, but orders are orders. The G19 won me over. I quickly learned what millions learned before me. It's a reliable and user friendly pistol. A few months ago my agency issued me a Glock 45 and sold to me my duty Glock 19. I like the Glock 45 as much, if not a little more, than the G19. I'm not part of the Glock Mafia, but it's a good design. Other companies have come out with their own designs that improved on some of the Glock's design weaknesses and Glock has had to play catch-up. That is the way of things, but I'm content with Gaston's product.

ME262 · September 6, 2021, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff #111

I've been carrying the Glock 19 (Gen 3 and Gen 4) as my duty sidearm since 2006. I wasn't crazy about having to give up my SIG P220, but orders are orders. The G19 won me over. I quickly learned what millions learned before me. It's a reliable and user friendly pistol. A few months ago my agency issued me a Glock 45 and sold to me my duty Glock 19. I like the Glock 45 as much, if not a little more, than the G19. I'm not part of the Glock Mafia, but it's a good design. Other companies have come out with their own designs that improved on some of the Glock's design weaknesses and Glock has had to play catch-up. That is the way of things, but I'm content with Gaston's product.

We also carried the G19 after switching over from Colt revolvers.

Glock 45 sounds like it should be a .45. It's so similar to the 19 they could have called it the 19A or 19P for police. Next time they make a new model they should ask me what to call it.

I think it was the gen 1 we had. I had a lot of trouble with mine at first. It was ejecting shells right into my face. The gunsmith tried to fix it 2 or 3 times and then finally Glock gave me a new one which worked good.

Jeff #111 · September 6, 2021, 03:46 PM

ME262

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Glock 45 sounds like it should be a .45. It's so similar to the 19 they could have called it the 19A or 19P for police. Next time they make a new model they should ask me what to call it.

I agree. The 45 confuses folks, but nobody ever asks for my opinion either. I started with the Gen 3 G19 then was issued a Gen 4 G19 in 2013. That is the one I purchased this year and is in the photo with the G45.

Palmetto-Pride · September 7, 2021, 06:09 PM

If you are new to Glocks their model numbers can be as confusing as a snow goose in a blizzard.....LOL

Hammerhead · September 7, 2021, 09:18 PM

A Glock 19 is not a Glock 34 or 17L.
I had an early gen 3 34 that loved to malfunction with less than robust factory ammo.
A 15 pound recoil spring on a tungsten rod cured that. So did full power 124 grain ammo, but that was more expensive at the time.

September 4, 2021, 11:41 PM	#27
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 12,212	I've seen that video, in fact I have comments on it from when it was released. I've shot Glocks for thousands of rounds (I'd guess close to 30k) over a number of years. I have absolutely seen limpwrist failures in Glock. Similar to Sharkbite, when it happened the grip was so loose that the shot was unlikely to hit and frankly the person was almost a danger to himself. I have shot them two handed, one handed, one handed weak hand, on and on. Absent me deliberately trying to cause a limpwrist malfunction I haven't had it happen to me. I have also seen it with other pistols as well. The only true prevention for a limpwrist failure is to carry a revolver. __________________ Know the status of your weapon Keep your muzzle oriented so that no one will be hurt if the firearm discharges Keep your finger off the trigger until you have an adequate sight picture Maintain situational awareness

September 5, 2021, 08:01 AM	#29
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 12,212	Speaking of Glocks...... I get your point and I also have had pistols that were less susceptible to limp wristing than Glocks. My point was in my experience my grip had to be so loose as to practically be a danger to myself, and you see that to an extent in the video you linked. I’ve done tens of defensive firearms courses as well as multiple days of force on force training. In all of that my grip was never so bad as to cause what you’re describing, even when rushing to the point where I was beyond my ability to deliver accurate hits. Establishing a decent grip on a pistol is important not just for function but also for your ability to deliver multiple shots on target. Now in the event you were shot in the hand your grip could well be compromised and cause a malfunction, but I would suggest switching to your other hand in that event (which is why weak hand shooting is a good skill to practice). Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

September 7, 2021, 06:09 PM	#34
Palmetto-Pride Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 2009 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 2,071	If you are new to Glocks their model numbers can be as confusing as a snow goose in a blizzard.....LOL __________________ “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.” -Margaret Thatcher-

September 5, 2021, 02:03 AM	#28
ME262 Member Join Date: March 7, 2008 Posts: 42	TR -. No point pursuing this further here, but like i said there's no telling what kind of grip u might have in an emergency/panic situation or struggle. I agree about revolvers of course. I've found Glocks particularly bad in this regard, and yet i still like them but understand their possible limitations. The one Glock that I've had experience with that was the exception was the model 33 .357 SIG. I was unable to make that one fail to fire no matter how weakly i held it.

September 5, 2021, 04:46 PM	#31
Jeff #111 Senior Member Join Date: July 25, 2001 Location: Idaho Posts: 1,072	I've been carrying the Glock 19 (Gen 3 and Gen 4) as my duty sidearm since 2006. I wasn't crazy about having to give up my SIG P220, but orders are orders. The G19 won me over. I quickly learned what millions learned before me. It's a reliable and user friendly pistol. A few months ago my agency issued me a Glock 45 and sold to me my duty Glock 19. I like the Glock 45 as much, if not a little more, than the G19. I'm not part of the Glock Mafia, but it's a good design. Other companies have come out with their own designs that improved on some of the Glock's design weaknesses and Glock has had to play catch-up. That is the way of things, but I'm content with Gaston's product.

September 7, 2021, 09:18 PM	#35
Hammerhead Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 2004 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,432	A Glock 19 is not a Glock 34 or 17L. I had an early gen 3 34 that loved to malfunction with less than robust factory ammo. A 15 pound recoil spring on a tungsten rod cured that. So did full power 124 grain ammo, but that was more expensive at the time.