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February 8, 2023, 04:07 PM | #1 |
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Elements of dispersion-- why don't I get 1 hole groups?
The latest podcast by Hornady is excellent and does a great job putting some complex variables into easy to understand explanations.
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February 8, 2023, 05:41 PM | #2 |
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An old friend once told me "after the first shot, the groups can only get bigger". That said, consistency is the key to success. Absolutely no variation in the cartridges, no movement in the stock, no movement in the barrel, no wiggle in the trigger, no variation in shot-to-shot trigger pull, no variation in cheek weld, no variation in how you pull the trigger. Essentially, everything has to be exactly the same from one shot to the next. So it's easy! Just be a robot!
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February 8, 2023, 10:54 PM | #3 |
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And the barrel has to be the same temperature for every shot. And the same level of cleanliness. And, and, and...
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February 9, 2023, 06:22 AM | #4 |
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Scorch,
You are right on. IMO, the shooter set-up variation and trigger discipline causes most of the variation. That is why test targets from custom rifle manufactures are usually shot with solid fixtures (not lead sleds). I have test targets from Cooper and Les Baer that are all 0.1 or less with factory ammo. |
February 9, 2023, 06:26 AM | #5 |
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The entire purpose of all my handloading experiments to satisfy a two step process: 1) is to clarify, review and if possible narrow the gap between operator error and equipment malfunction, and 2) it's what I would like to be doing.
Twenty shot groups satisfy both requirements for me. |
February 9, 2023, 08:37 AM | #6 |
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I have watched a few of their podcasts now, they are very informative and make you understand all the variables is ballistics, they sound like they really know what they are talking about.
I would love to ask them though, since they work for Hornady, do they always use Hornady components? IMO Hornady brass is just mediocre quality, I would almost bet that they are using better quality brass like Lapua or Peterson or? |
February 9, 2023, 09:16 AM | #7 |
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I've watched some of them--but I thought this was one of the best that I've seen so far.
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It's all stuff that's been discussed here and on other forums over the years, but nice to see it in one place.
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February 10, 2023, 07:11 PM | #9 |
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Checking 100-yard benchrest records shows the several group aggregates are about 1/3rd inch.
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February 10, 2023, 07:29 PM | #10 |
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February 11, 2023, 09:57 AM | #13 |
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What’s the big deal about shooting one hole groups? I do that routinely with 9mm pistols freehand. Takes 50 to 100 rounds and the hole is usually about 2 inches in diameter.
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February 13, 2023, 03:36 PM | #14 |
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Higgite : me too , at 100yds . Dispersion-smersion bla-bla-bla
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