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Old June 4, 2022, 09:11 AM   #1
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Anyone try the Form 4 e-file yet?

I'm mainly interested if it is reducing the wait times? I'm considering picking up a couple more suppressors, and my first two due to gov shutdown and COVID took over 18 months to receive.
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Old June 4, 2022, 06:48 PM   #2
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Submitted 03/25/2022, nothing yet. In fairness, I’m not passed the 90 days that has been advertised. For me, paper form 4s were taking about 5 months.
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Old June 5, 2022, 02:47 PM   #3
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FFL I picked up my last suppressor from (took 54 weeks) said they had starting doing the e-file, and had yet to see one exceed 90 days. This was as of the last week in April.
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Old June 5, 2022, 04:29 PM   #4
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I’m 30 days plus and not looking for it til September if I’m lucky.
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Old June 5, 2022, 05:50 PM   #5
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I am waiting to certify. Got the email after hours on Friday. I forgot to call the FFL on Saturday. Now I have to wait until Tuesday.
He says the average eF4 is coming back in 10-14 days for his shop. The quickest was 8 days from certification. The longest was about 45 days.
But I plan on it taking a year. Because this item is cursed and nothing has gone well or moved quickly.
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Old June 6, 2022, 07:30 AM   #6
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Old June 6, 2022, 08:00 PM   #7
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USCS Submitted 03/25/2022, nothing yet. In fairness, I’m not passed the 90 days that has been advertised.
Advertised by who?

ATF stated that 90 days was their target for eForm 4 processing. It wasn't a promise, an estimate or even a wild assed guess. It's what they hope to eventually get to. The internet read "Our target is 90 day approvals" as "we'll approve your eForm 4 in 90 days". Thats just a dumb assumption.

"Under promise, over deliver" is never a bad mantra. ATF, Silencer Shop and every FFL/SOT needs to remember that.

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For me, paper form 4s were taking about 5 months.
Over the last four years the average processing time for paper Form 4's has never fallen lower than seven months. The last time ATF updated processing time was 9/30/2021..... https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/...ocessing-times

ATF is required to update and publish those processing times every ninety days. Interesting they have not done so IN NINE MONTHS.
I suspect the reason is processing of paper Form 4's has exceeded 12 months and they are embarrassed.
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Old June 6, 2022, 08:03 PM   #8
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FrankenMauser I am waiting to certify. Got the email after hours on Friday. I forgot to call the FFL on Saturday. Now I have to wait until Tuesday.
He says the average eF4 is coming back in 10-14 days for his shop. The quickest was 8 days from certification. The longest was about 45 days.
But I plan on it taking a year. Because this item is cursed and nothing has gone well or moved quickly.
I think he is pulling your leg.

I've had one eForm 4 approved in less than two weeks, but it was expedited for a member of the military.

I currently have over a hundred pending eForms that are older than 120 days.
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Old June 8, 2022, 02:49 AM   #9
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Advertised by who?

ATF stated that 90 days was their target for eForm 4 processing. It wasn't a promise, an estimate or even a wild assed guess. It's what they hope to eventually get to. The internet read "Our target is 90 day approvals" as "we'll approve your eForm 4 in 90 days". Thats just a dumb assumption.

"Under promise, over deliver" is never a bad mantra. ATF, Silencer Shop and every FFL/SOT needs to remember that.


Over the last four years the average processing time for paper Form 4's has never fallen lower than seven months. The last time ATF updated processing time was 9/30/2021..... https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/...ocessing-times

ATF is required to update and publish those processing times every ninety days. Interesting they have not done so IN NINE MONTHS.
I suspect the reason is processing of paper Form 4's has exceeded 12 months and they are embarrassed.
1. The ATF said 90 days in their publicity for eforms, I consider that advertising.

2. AVERAGE means some come back faster and some take longer, I was on the good end of the average
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Old June 8, 2022, 11:54 AM   #10
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1. The ATF said 90 days in their publicity for eforms, I consider that advertising.
No, they didn't say that at all. ATF clearly said "the NFA is committed to our processing goal of 90 days.." in this video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMI9Hx3pLAM&t=1775s Exact statement at 29:35

It's a goal, a target, an objective they hop to reach.....not at all a promise or guarantee.

That you think ATF is "advertising" is hysterical.
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No, they didn't say that at all. ATF clearly said "the NFA is committed to our processing goal of 90 days.." in this video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMI9Hx3pLAM&t=1775s Exact statement at 29:35

It's a goal, a target, an objective they hop to reach.....not at all a promise or guarantee.

That you think ATF is "advertising" is hysterical.
ad·​ver·​tise | \ ˈad-vər-ˌtīz \
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Definition of advertise
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advertising their readiness to make concessions
b : to announce publicly especially by a printed notice or a broadcast
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If they put it on YouTube, That sure seems to fit the dictionary definition of advertise.
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Old June 8, 2022, 03:46 PM   #12
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I think he is pulling your leg.

I've had one eForm 4 approved in less than two weeks, but it was expedited for a member of the military.

I currently have over a hundred pending eForms that are older than 120 days.
We will find out.

I haven't seen anything about *how* the eF4s are being handled. Although it should be unlikely, it is possible that they're split up regionally, like paper forms used to be.
A couple shop owners that I know in Arizona have said roughly the same thing: about 14 days, overall average; with the odd one here and there taking 30-60 days.

One of my contacts at Dillon had a trust same-day approval last week. He has no idea why. (Through a private shop, not the company.)
Perhaps the eF4s get electronically "shuffled" every day, just to make things more interesting.
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Old June 8, 2022, 07:34 PM   #13
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USCS If they put it on YouTube, That sure seems to fit the dictionary definition of advertise.
Do you think a particular line of text in a book is advertising?
How about a song lyric or line from a movie?

No, they aren't advertising.
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Old June 9, 2022, 05:17 PM   #14
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Well while you argue semantics, I just efiled 2 suppressors yesterday. 6/8/22. I'll let you know when they come in.
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Old June 14, 2022, 08:06 AM   #15
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Submitted eForm 4 on 3/28/22. Contacted ATF on June 9 and the woman I spoke with stated the Form was "pending" and they are still striving for <90-day issuance.
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Old June 15, 2022, 09:53 AM   #16
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I need to get busy, and do the form-1 for an SBR and a couple more suppressors. Might as well start the wait game again ASAP.
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