Rumors of changes to reloading supplies

JDTech · March 12, 2009, 01:06 PM

Hello all,

New member here, actually reregestered because I forgot my login name cause its been a year or so since I posted last. Anyway way, one of my co-workers who is a fellow reloader was ranting at break time today about hearing something about how our new found Presidential administration was wanting to make changes to ammunition to make harder on the masses. One thing was making primers degradable with a one year life span and the other was makeing all bullets with built in traceable ser# or trace elements that gives it a finger print, I dont know. I did a brief search on the internet and found nothing and did find anything searching the forums, but I figure this crowd would be the first to know it this was all BS rumors or genuine talk coming from our Socialist leader himself???? Please tell me this was another internet hoax!

madmo44mag · March 12, 2009, 01:13 PM

This will not get past. At least no time soon.
Welcome the the New USSA
The United Socialist States of America

armsmaster270 · March 12, 2009, 01:15 PM

Check the net under microstamping or micro stamping

Wildalaska · March 12, 2009, 01:18 PM

No to all.

WildclosethisAlaska TM

JDTech · March 12, 2009, 01:18 PM

hmm I'll do that thanks!!

.......wiki has some good info on micro stamping, it involves stamping the primer with a 8 digit number etched in the firing pin. It also talks about case stamping but that has yet to be refined and reasonable to do. These seem to be older studys that were done and tested. This stuff my co-worker is talking about seems something new and a little different. He said if it was implimented there would be a one year grace period to use up all the existing ammo and supplies before the new stuff would be implemented with the one year shelf life. Guess "he's" affraid of us now that we have started stock piling ammo and guns after taking office......*rolls eyes*

tiberius10721 · March 12, 2009, 03:00 PM

the ammunition industry must be making a ton of money of these rumors!I hope none of these rumors are true.

Don H · March 12, 2009, 04:26 PM

Quote:

He said if it was implimented there would be a one year grace period to use up all the existing ammo and supplies before the new stuff would be implemented with the one year shelf life.

This is a rumor that has been making the rounds for years and has been thoroughly debunked.

DiscoRacing · March 12, 2009, 04:37 PM

i would be screwed then... no way i can shoot up everything that i already have now in a years time.

Masada · March 12, 2009, 04:44 PM

It was introduced some time ago in the US Congress, never went anywhere. Introduced in CA too.

See here http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=3481 and http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactShe...=223&issue=078

**Unclenick** · March 12, 2009, 05:33 PM

. . . And it will be introduced again and again. I think the microstamping was introduced in something like 18 states this year, but has yet to make any committee roster anywhere. Lyndon LaRouche used to run for president every four years. People spent years introducing legislation around the world to make Esperansa the international language. Gun controllers will do the same with what they think are key ideas in support of their objectives. Just keep vigilant and keep reminding politicians how gun owners can make or break a close election.

rclark · March 12, 2009, 05:43 PM

Evidently not enough to make or break the last one

....Now we have to live with it.... And with what is coming.... The drug/gun running to Mexico will likely be the 'excuse' to hammer down on us next....

ar15man2009 · March 12, 2009, 06:40 PM

check out the ammunition accountability act.just type it in on google.

JCS1 · March 12, 2009, 06:46 PM

Google this HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales
or any of the following.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/show
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/show
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45
It's just getting started and now is the time to get it stopped.
A breakdown would go something like this.
(This is Obama gun control by secrecy.) Very important for you to be aware of
a new bill HR 45 introduced into the House. This is the Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sale Act of 2009.
Go to any government website and type in HR 45 or Google
HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Actof 2009.

You will get all the information. Basically this would make it
illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY handgun unless:
*
It is registered
*
You are fingerprinted
* You supply a current Driver's License
* You supply your Social Security #
* You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their
choosing.
* Each update - change or ownership through private or public sale must
be reported and costs $25 - Failure to do so you automatically
lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail.
*
There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a
child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any
child under 18.
* They would have the right to come and inspect that you are
storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine
is punishable for up to 5 yrs. in prison.

If you think this is a joke - go to the website and take your pick of
many options to read this. It is long and lengthy. But, more and more people
are becoming aware of this. Pass the word along. Any hunters in your
family - pass this along.. Peter Boyles is on this and having guests.
Listen to him on KHOW 630 a.m. in the morning. He suggests the best way
to fight this is to tell all your friends about it and "spring into action".
Also he suggests we all join a pro-gun group like the Colorado Rifle
Association, hunting associations, gun clubs and especially the NRA.

This is just a "termite" approach to complete confiscation of guns and
disarming of our society to the point we have no defense - chip away a
little here and there until the goal is accomplished before anyone
realizes it. (Did Obama promise transparency? It seems his motives are
more and more transparent while his methods are hidden in back rooms.)
This is one to act on whether you own a gun or not. If you take my gun,
only the criminal will have one to use against me. HR 45 only makes
me/us less safe.
Have a nice day

MrNiceGuy · March 12, 2009, 06:55 PM

i heard they were planning on assigning invisible gnomes to all firearms
So, every time you buy a gun, you unknowingly also buy and take home an invisible gnome

the only question left is, why?

but if anybody asks, you didnt hear this from me

thallub · March 12, 2009, 07:11 PM

This is a rumor that has been making the rounds for years and has been thoroughly debunked.

Exactly.

Ribramax · March 12, 2009, 09:08 PM

Remember the story of the boy who cried, "wolf!"?

We can only ignore these "rumors" and fringe legislation at our own peril.

My theory is that the anti-gun lobby introduces this type of legislation repeatedly in the hopes that we eventually become desensitized and complacent. Then they can get their foot int he door by slipping one through.

Take all anti-gun efforts seriously no matter how small or unbelievable.

MrNiceGuy · March 12, 2009, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Take all anti-gun efforts seriously no matter how small or unbelievable.

I am.
I keep various cans of spray paint around me at all times to check for invisible gnomes.

you can never be too careful or cautious....
Being worried about something that is currently impossible is perfectly normal, after all, paranoia is just a buzz word created by the anti gun crowd to discredit the rest of us.

The terminators are coming, nanobots will be injected into our primers to disarm them a year after purchase, and the zombies will never starve to death. These are truths that are self evident and require no basis in reality to justify the terror i'm feeling over their impending implementation or discovery.

A_Gamehog · March 12, 2009, 09:52 PM

Did the same friend tell you Obama was a Muslim?

Did the same friend tell you the easter bunny was Black?

Think about your questions, the United States Supreme Court ruled in favor of the Second Amendment just last year. Any state action will be brought before them also so nothing would ever be law unless the United States Supreme Court agreed with the liberals in the 9th Circuit court in San Francisco.

That ain't going to happen anytime soon. Statements like yours are why I can't buy primers and powder when I want. Join the NRA, TRUST them to take this seriously and speak for all of us.

Just my 2 cents....

Wildalaska · March 12, 2009, 10:06 PM

Quote:

I am.
I keep various cans of spray paint around me at all times to check for invisible gnomes.

Flour is just as good and not permanent...just toss some around as soon as you get into the house

WildlooktheregoesonepowpowpowimtheprezoftheinvisiblegnomehuntingclubAlaska TM

Inspector3711 · March 12, 2009, 11:01 PM

What burns me is that they can't afford to fix the roads or even run the country but they'll propose wasting our money on this garbage. Gun related deaths aren't a drop in the bucket. Not even in the top 10 causes of death. Many times more people die in car wrecks and millions more die from health problems.

Al Norris · March 12, 2009, 11:29 PM

Wrong place for this topic.

Since it has been debunked to death, over in the L&CR forum, ain't no sense in moving it.

March 12, 2009, 01:06 PM	#1
JDTech Member Join Date: March 12, 2009 Posts: 27	Rumors of changes to reloading supplies Hello all, New member here, actually reregestered because I forgot my login name cause its been a year or so since I posted last. Anyway way, one of my co-workers who is a fellow reloader was ranting at break time today about hearing something about how our new found Presidential administration was wanting to make changes to ammunition to make harder on the masses. One thing was making primers degradable with a one year life span and the other was makeing all bullets with built in traceable ser# or trace elements that gives it a finger print, I dont know. I did a brief search on the internet and found nothing and did find anything searching the forums, but I figure this crowd would be the first to know it this was all BS rumors or genuine talk coming from our Socialist leader himself???? Please tell me this was another internet hoax!

March 12, 2009, 01:13 PM	#2
madmo44mag Senior Member Join Date: December 29, 2008 Location: Ft.Worth, Texas Posts: 1,522	This will not get past. At least no time soon. Welcome the the New USSA The United Socialist States of America __________________ Texas - Not just a state but an attitude! For monthly shooting events in DFW visit http://www.meetup.com/TexasGunOwner-DFW

March 12, 2009, 01:15 PM	#3
armsmaster270 Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2008 Location: California Posts: 1,951	Check the net under microstamping or micro stamping __________________ http://www.armsmaster.net-a.googlepages.com http://s239.photobucket.com/albums/f...aster270/Guns/ Retired LE, M.P., Sr. M.P. Investigator F.B.I. Trained Rangemaster/Firearms Instructor & Armorer, Presently Forensic Document Examiner for D.H.S.

March 12, 2009, 01:18 PM	#5
JDTech Member Join Date: March 12, 2009 Posts: 27	hmm I'll do that thanks!! .......wiki has some good info on micro stamping, it involves stamping the primer with a 8 digit number etched in the firing pin. It also talks about case stamping but that has yet to be refined and reasonable to do. These seem to be older studys that were done and tested. This stuff my co-worker is talking about seems something new and a little different. He said if it was implimented there would be a one year grace period to use up all the existing ammo and supplies before the new stuff would be implemented with the one year shelf life. Guess "he's" affraid of us now that we have started stock piling ammo and guns after taking office......rolls eyes Last edited by JDTech; March 12, 2009 at 01:30 PM.

March 12, 2009, 05:33 PM	#10
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,063	. . . And it will be introduced again and again. I think the microstamping was introduced in something like 18 states this year, but has yet to make any committee roster anywhere. Lyndon LaRouche used to run for president every four years. People spent years introducing legislation around the world to make Esperansa the international language. Gun controllers will do the same with what they think are key ideas in support of their objectives. Just keep vigilant and keep reminding politicians how gun owners can make or break a close election. __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

March 12, 2009, 01:18 PM	#4
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,172	No to all. WildclosethisAlaska TM

March 12, 2009, 03:00 PM	#6
tiberius10721 Junior member Join Date: December 22, 2008 Posts: 228	the ammunition industry must be making a ton of money of these rumors!I hope none of these rumors are true.

March 12, 2009, 04:37 PM	#8
DiscoRacing Senior Member Join Date: December 19, 2008 Location: milton, wv Posts: 3,640	i would be screwed then... no way i can shoot up everything that i already have now in a years time.

March 12, 2009, 04:44 PM	#9
Masada Member Join Date: November 1, 2008 Posts: 32	It was introduced some time ago in the US Congress, never went anywhere. Introduced in CA too. See here http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=3481 and http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactShe...=223&issue=078

March 12, 2009, 05:43 PM	#11
rclark Senior Member Join Date: February 12, 2009 Location: Butte, MT Posts: 2,624	Evidently not enough to make or break the last one ....Now we have to live with it.... And with what is coming.... The drug/gun running to Mexico will likely be the 'excuse' to hammer down on us next....

March 12, 2009, 06:40 PM	#12
ar15man2009 Member Join Date: February 15, 2009 Location: Harlan County,Kentucky Posts: 81	ammo check out the ammunition accountability act.just type it in on google.

March 12, 2009, 06:46 PM	#13
JCS1 Member Join Date: February 20, 2009 Location: Bloomington, In. Posts: 37	I think I might have some info on this. Google this HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales or any of the following. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45 http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/show http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/show http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45 http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45 It's just getting started and now is the time to get it stopped. A breakdown would go something like this. (This is Obama gun control by secrecy.) Very important for you to be aware of a new bill HR 45 introduced into the House. This is the Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sale Act of 2009. Go to any government website and type in HR 45 or Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Actof 2009. You will get all the information. Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY handgun unless: * It is registered * You are fingerprinted * You supply a current Driver's License * You supply your Social Security # * You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing. * Each update - change or ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25 - Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail. * There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18. * They would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs. in prison. If you think this is a joke - go to the website and take your pick of many options to read this. It is long and lengthy. But, more and more people are becoming aware of this. Pass the word along. Any hunters in your family - pass this along.. Peter Boyles is on this and having guests. Listen to him on KHOW 630 a.m. in the morning. He suggests the best way to fight this is to tell all your friends about it and "spring into action". Also he suggests we all join a pro-gun group like the Colorado Rifle Association, hunting associations, gun clubs and especially the NRA. This is just a "termite" approach to complete confiscation of guns and disarming of our society to the point we have no defense - chip away a little here and there until the goal is accomplished before anyone realizes it. (Did Obama promise transparency? It seems his motives are more and more transparent while his methods are hidden in back rooms.) This is one to act on whether you own a gun or not. If you take my gun, only the criminal will have one to use against me. HR 45 only makes me/us less safe. Have a nice day

March 12, 2009, 06:55 PM	#14
MrNiceGuy Junior member Join Date: August 16, 2008 Posts: 919	i heard they were planning on assigning invisible gnomes to all firearms So, every time you buy a gun, you unknowingly also buy and take home an invisible gnome the only question left is, why? but if anybody asks, you didnt hear this from me Last edited by MrNiceGuy; March 12, 2009 at 07:03 PM.

March 12, 2009, 07:11 PM	#15
thallub Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2007 Location: South Western OK Posts: 3,112	This is a rumor that has been making the rounds for years and has been thoroughly debunked. Exactly.

March 12, 2009, 09:08 PM	#16
Ribramax Junior Member Join Date: March 10, 2009 Location: Midwest, USA Posts: 2	Remember the story of the boy who cried, "wolf!"? We can only ignore these "rumors" and fringe legislation at our own peril. My theory is that the anti-gun lobby introduces this type of legislation repeatedly in the hopes that we eventually become desensitized and complacent. Then they can get their foot int he door by slipping one through. Take all anti-gun efforts seriously no matter how small or unbelievable. __________________ "The word 'experienced' often refers to someone who's gotten away with doing the wrong thing more frequently than you have." Laurence Gonzales - Deep Survival

March 12, 2009, 09:52 PM	#18
A_Gamehog Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2009 Location: Central Oregun Posts: 563	RE: Rumors of changes to reloading supplies Did the same friend tell you Obama was a Muslim? Did the same friend tell you the easter bunny was Black? Think about your questions, the United States Supreme Court ruled in favor of the Second Amendment just last year. Any state action will be brought before them also so nothing would ever be law unless the United States Supreme Court agreed with the liberals in the 9th Circuit court in San Francisco. That ain't going to happen anytime soon. Statements like yours are why I can't buy primers and powder when I want. Join the NRA, TRUST them to take this seriously and speak for all of us. Just my 2 cents.... __________________ "Happiness is knowing the Barred Owl is Eating the Spotted Owl and environmentalists are watching Nature take it's course"

March 12, 2009, 11:01 PM	#20
Inspector3711 Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2008 Location: Puget Sound Washington Posts: 1,553	What burns me is that they can't afford to fix the roads or even run the country but they'll propose wasting our money on this garbage. Gun related deaths aren't a drop in the bucket. Not even in the top 10 causes of death. Many times more people die in car wrecks and millions more die from health problems. __________________ "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." The Dalai Llama (5/15/01, The Seattle Times) "That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." George Orwell

March 12, 2009, 11:29 PM	#21
Al Norris Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 29, 2000 Location: Rupert, Idaho Posts: 9,660	Wrong place for this topic. Since it has been debunked to death, over in the L&CR forum, ain't no sense in moving it.