Glock 26 Gen 3 brand new - constant fails

[greyeyezz]

I don't believe in limp-wristing. After 60 plus years of shooting, I have come to believe that limp-wristing is just a way to explain a failure that has un-know cause.

Yes its a myth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh9JhCyFFxA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9LOiHu4ThY

[madmag]

Originally Posted by josh17

As for the Mag Extensions for the G26, does it make any difference in terms of being reliable?

No..........but, there are plus zero and others that add rounds. The plus zero makes no difference at all, it is just simply an addition for finger grip. When I use the extension that adds rounds I like to add an extra power Wolff mag. spring.

If your pistol is so sensitive to failure that just a small position change of your hand solves the problem, then you need to continue to investigate to solve the real problem.

[Fishbed77]

This may be a no-brainer, but did you clean/lubricate the new pistol before firing it? Almost all new guns come packed with at least a little preservative grease that needs to be cleaned out, and even Glocks need a little oiling.

[Eppie]

Wow greyeyezz that was educational for me. Never had that problem, but it's good to know about a Glock's limitation. Bad habits can develop at any time.

[.22lr]

Josh,

Based on the picture you showed I have a few ideas. My usual disclaimer about my opinion being worth what you paid for it applies;

1) Your extractor could be broken. A factory extractor should look the pictures seen here and here . It could also be the spring behind the extractor

2) Your chamber could be dirty. The "dirt" could be causing difficult extraction. The probable cause on a new firearm is the factory rust preventative. Clean your barrel as you would other firearms and retest.

3) *Could* be magazine related. Try the other magazine to see what happens.

4) Your gun could be a lemon. It happens to all manufacturers. Knowing this all guns should pass a 200ish round trial period before being trusted.

Limp wristing is a complete crock. I'm sorry to be blunt, but if an ammunition / gun pairing cannot be relied upon during adverse conditions (non ideal grip), then it should not be relied upon for serious matters. "Limp wristing" is merely a way of glossing over a pistol or ammunition problem, or a way for internet experts to thump their chests and declare their superiority as *they* never limp wrist (and never could as they are much too studly).

Now if you will excuse me, I need to duck and cover...

Hope this helped.

VR

Matt

[Dashunde]

The G26 uses the same recoil spring as the G27.
Since that spring can handle the .40, its probably a bit on the stiff side for 9mm, possibly making a limp wrist failure more likely.

If its also gooy, sticky or a new shooter drags a thumb on the slide, combined with a not-so-stiff grip...

[madmag]

Originally Posted by .22lr

"Limp wristing" is merely a way of glossing over a pistol or ammunition problem, or a way for internet experts to thump their chests and declare their superiority as *they* never limp wrist (and never could as they are much too studly).

Now if you will excuse me, I need to duck and cover...

Exactly, No need to run for cover. You just might save someone that depends on a pistol for SD and has bought into the limp-wrist idea to solve their problems.

[Powderman]

Wow, fellas.

All I can say is this....

40+ years of experience in shooting handguns tells me that limp-wristing is NOT a myth, by any means. I can induce a failure by deliberately limp-wristing the pistol. I can do it on command with any Glock or 1911 handgun. It DOES happen.

Also, in a response to a post above....

Do NOT spray ANY lubricant into the lower receiver of the Glock pistol. Most assuredly do NOT lubricate the firing pin assembly. It is designed to work as it is---bone dry. I have had a couple of repair jobs already at my department when one of the officers would say, "It doesn't set off a round". Disassembly of the slide proved that oil on the firing pin assembly gathered dirt and debris, causing the spring cups that hold the firing pin to slow down after being released by the cruciform assembly. A good cleaning and degreasing restored the pistols to service.

The proper way to check the firing pin is to: 1. Clear the pistol. 2. Pointing the pistol in a SAFE direction (one that will stop a bullet), pull the trigger. 3. Hold the pistol by your ear, and shake it like you're shaking a can of spray paint--moving the whole pistol back and forth. You should hear the firing pin rattle a bit inside. If you do not, disassemble the slide assembly and clear ALL lube from the firing pin assembly, the spring cups, the firing pin spring AND from inside the firing pin tunnel itself.

Reassemble and lube properly: one drop of oil on each rail, one on the connector, and one in the locking lug recess on the barrel.

[.22lr]

40+ years of experience in shooting handguns tells me that limp-wristing is NOT a myth, by any means. I can induce a failure by deliberately limp-wristing the pistol. I can do it on command with any Glock or 1911 handgun. It DOES happen.

I don't think it doesn't happen. But why on earth would anyone trust that firearm and ammunition combination for a serious purpose? AKA there is a large problem which needs to be addressed.

My issue with "limp wristing" as an explanation is that it demands that the user compensate for an unreliable system. The system should be reliable.

I am a big proponent of SAMMI +P ammunition. The major benefit in my mind is that it increases slide velocity. Slightly improved muzzle energy is largely meaningless to me. But the ability for the pistol to overcome adverse conditions (imperfect grip, lack of lubrication, mud, blood, gore, etc) is an important consideration for me.

Which brings me back to the ammunition and firearm combination. If there is reason to believe that a firearm and ammunition combination may not perform under adverse conditions, FIX IT!

Also, it just riles me that "limp wristing" is the knee jerk response to any functioning issue in auto loading pistols.

Improper grip is not the issue. The issue is that the system of ammunition and firearm are not sufficiently reliable for serious use. Regardless of firearm make or model.

Very Respectfully,

Matt

[madmag]

Originally Posted by Powderman

40+ years of experience in shooting handguns tells me that limp-wristing is NOT a myth, by any means. I can induce a failure by deliberately limp-wristing the pistol. I can do it on command with any Glock or 1911 handgun. It DOES happen.

Sorry to trump you, but I have been shooting 60 plus years, and limp-wristing is a myth used to cover failures that someone does not want to take the time and energy to solve.

If you are inducing a failure by limp-wristing, then you really have an underlaying cause that should be addressed.

PS: The other option is to use a board along your wrist and then put placement arrows on your grip so you always grip in the same area.....then make sure you always take the same stance and put your tongue to the right side of your mouth (if you are right handed). This may be hard to do in a stress situation, but practice will help.

[Dashunde]

You guys are kidding right? Limp wristing is simple physics and no amount of years shooting can or will change it.

If the spring is stiff enough to transmit enough energy into the frame so that it begins to move rearward along with the slide then the slide may not fully complete its cycle.

The shorter the cycle, the stiffer the spring, the lighter the frame, the weaker the round, the more likely it is to occure - one or any combination of those factors will expoite a weak grip right away.

[.22lr]

The shorter the cycle, the stiffer the spring, the lighter the frame, the weaker the round, the more likely it is to occure - one or any combination of those factors will expoite a weak grip right away.

YUP!

So, why would you ever trust your life to a system of ammunition and firearm that is unreliable without a proper grip?

I stand by my statement. Limp wristing is a crock. The real issue is an unreliable system of ammunition and firearm. Demanding a perfect grip misses the point. If a a firearm and ammunition system cannot perform reliably under adverse conditions, it should not be considered for serious use.

Very Respectfully,

Matt

[batmann]

Without actually seeing you shoot or having someone that has shot semi-autos before, it is hard to figure out your problem. The ONE suggestion I would make is NEVER take any gun new or used out BEFORE you clean it and check to make sure all is as it should be. Many, Glock included, use a rust/grease inhibitor that should be cleaned bfore you fire it. Clean it and then shoot it, if you still have the same problem, have someone else shoot it. If they have the same problem, then it is most likely, the weapon.

[madmag]

Originally Posted by Dashunde

You guys are kidding right? Limp wristing is simple physics and no amount of years shooting can or will change it.

Yes, it is simple physics...it's called impulse force. Derived from F=MA (force=mass x acceleration over time).

Yes, limp wristing is a myth. But the real problem is it prevents you from finding the real problem associated with FTE etc. Now for target shooting this is OK, but for SD you should really solve the problem.

Bottom line:
If you hold your pistol with a reasonable grip with your hand completely on the butt of the pistol and pointing in the shooting direction, then your semi should function, If not, then you need to find out why you have a failure without blaming it on limp-wristing or the position of the stars.

no amount of years shooting can or will change it.

Actually it does change things. Our three son's (all forty plus) have found in recent years that my wife and I are three times smarter than they thought they were, so when you get older you will find you can even change basic physics. Just one of the perks of old age.

[Dashunde]

Originally Posted by .22lr

So, why would you ever trust your life to a system of ammunition and firearm that is unreliable without a proper grip?

No one should ever pull the trigger unless they have control of the weapon, including a proper grip - plain and simple.
Anything less subjects you to the legal horrors of hitting someone you didnt mean to.

Originally Posted by 22lr

My issue with "limp wristing" as an explanation is that it demands that the user compensate for an unreliable system. The system should be reliable

The shooter is part of that system. Don’t expect any pistol to cycle correctly if you throw it into the air with a string tied around the trigger.

Originally Posted by madmag

If you hold your pistol with a reasonable grip with your hand completely on the butt of the pistol and pointing in the shooting direction, then your semi should function, If not, then you need to find out why you have a failure without blaming it on limp-wristing or the position of the stars.

True. However, like with everything else its about compromises.
Pick a small short gun with a stiff spring? You better have a good grip on it.
The op says he hasnt managed to get all the rounds into the mags yet... strength is questionable here and completely validates limp-wristing as a possible cause for the problem.
But, I'm still betting theres some glitch with the G26 or he's dragging a finger on it.

Its interesting how neither of you buy into "limp-wristing", yet you both clearly contradict each other.
One says it should function no matter what, the other says that a semi should function with a reasonable grip.

So comon already Josh... has anyone looked at your gun yet? The sooner the better, the natives are ready to squabble!

[Josh17]

Only range in town closed mondays. I won't be able to test it until tomm.

Yeah, I am starting to doubt it is limp wristing, at least in MY case. Not saying it doesn't exist. If it IS, I'm not sure I really would trust the pistol in need for SD.

When firing I held it firmly with two hands, and fired. If holding it firmly with two hands is "not enough" and can still induce a failure, than perhaps it's not a good SD gun.

The fact that it failed to extact/eject on every single shot is what worries me. If a simple change of grip can cause such massive failure problems then I wouldn't imagine using it in a self-defense situation. So if I hold the gun, with my grip slightly different during a self-defense situation, with adrenaline rushing and all, the gun will most likely jam unless I hold it 100% perfect.. doesn't seem ideal at all for me. I've seen the limp wristing videos, and I hold it nothing like that, lol. They are trying to induce a jam by holding it soo poorly. I hold it firmly with two hands.

BUT, that's assuming it even is limp wristing. I think it has to do with me perhaps not cleaning the gun, or, it has some bad parts. Because this is not the norm for a Glock. I will find out within the next few days. Thanks for all the replies.

[Dashunde]

Originally Posted by Josh

than perhaps it's not a good SD gun

Sorry guy, the G26 has been around a long time, its well known and solid.
You did pick a good gun.

It just needs to be looked at by someone familiar with them, beyond that all of our typing is pure conjecture.

Where are you anyway? (location)

[Josh17]

I know, I believe the Glock is a GREAT gun and so is the G26. What I meant was, if my cause of jamming is due to limp wristing, then this is not a good SD gun for me. Since holding it firmly with two hands should NOT induce a failure to extract/failure to eject 100% of the time.

I believe it's a issue with the Gun/parts of the gun. I did buy it brand new, BUT, I could have gotten a Lemon, or, parts of the gun are a "lemon". So I'm going to get it inspected.

Well, first, I'll clean the gun then test it one more time. It if still fails to extract/eject, then it's time to bring it to a gunsmith and have it looked at.

I do believe the Glock 26 makes a perfect SD gun. I am just a little annoyed at how I get a failure to extract/eject 100% of the time on a brand new gun. And it can't be from limp wristing, because I've seen the videos of people who limp wrist and I hold it NOTHING like that. They do it one handed with no grip - I hold it with two hands and a strong grip! But, I didn't clean it, nor have it inspected before firing, so I can't blame the gun just yet.

[.22lr]

No one should ever pull the trigger unless they have control of the weapon, including a proper grip - plain and simple.
Anything less subjects you to the legal horrors of hitting someone you didnt mean to.

During the course of defensing my life, I may sustain injury to my hands or arms. If i am unable to maintain a proper grip, should I call a time out?

The shooter is part of that system. Don’t expect any pistol to cycle correctly if you throw it into the air with a string tied around the trigger.

Somehow I can't see that particular scenerio unfolding, but you may have better training than I. Or you may be taking what I said and stretching it to absurd lengths.

Its interesting how neither of you buy into "limp-wristing", yet you both clearly contradict each other.
One says it should function no matter what, the other says that a semi should function with a reasonable grip.

Why do I need to have consensus with another poster? Because he and I disagree our point is somehow lessened? You and I disagree, by your rules, isn't your point lessened as well? Also, I must be missing this, please show me where I said it must function no matter what. "Under adverse conditions" does not equal "no matter what"

But I guess my question is, what malfunctions are acceptable?




Now that I think about I think its time that "limp wristing" becomes its own thread as we are dragging the OP's thread way off course. I will post a link once I have started the thread.

http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...98#post4980498

[Eppie]

Josh,
I don't know where you are located, but by filling out your profile info, maybe one of the retired guys (there are many here) can meet you at a range and offer some help. Also don't be afraid to ask for help at your range.

My experience is that most people are flattered if you ask for their advice. Pick on older guys, chances are they have a lot more experience and time on their hands.

Persevere, this should not be a big problem to overcome. Good luck

[Dashunde]

Originally Posted by .22lr

During the course of defensing my life, I may sustain injury to my hands or arms. If i am unable to maintain a proper grip, should I call a time out?

No, you've lost. If your gun cooperates from there your just lucky.
I get what your saying - from the start the design shouldn’t be overly sensitive to grip.
I'm saying you cant expect the pistol, any pistol, to cycle correctly without the shooter doing their part.

Originally Posted by .22lr

But I guess my question is, what malfunctions are acceptable?

The ones that happen when you don’t have a proper grip - again, the shooter is part of the system.

The thread will be back on track as soon as Josh comes back with more info.
In the meantime we're (I'm) just conversating...

[bigStag]

I don't believe in limp-wristing. After 60 plus years of shooting, I have come to believe that limp-wristing is just a way to explain a failure that has un-know cause.

I concur with this guy. Just like the video above showed the Glock jammed. The H&K and S&W didn't. In all my years of shooting I've never heard of limp-wristing until the last fews. The decades previously it always was FTE or FTF.

First time I shot a Glock it jammed. Owner said you're "limp-wristing" it. My hands are well above average and I was bench pressing over 300 lbs at the time. limp-wristing? Really?

[Powderman]

Well, much as I dislike beating my head against a wall, I'll attempt to explain.

Limp wristing occurs when your wrist is not kept in line with the centerline of the bore. It is more accurately called "limp grip" because the most important part of the grip--the solid contact between top of the backstrap and the firearm--is not there.

When you grip a semiautomatic hand gun too LOW, the force imparted to the pistol upon firing wastes a good part of it seating the gun in your hand for a proper grip. And if you're gorrila gripping the pistol too low, the force applied acts on your wrist--which is not providing support, but a FULCRUM. The pistol tilts around that fulcrum, expending energy to pivot the mass around the point of the fulcrum. The remaining energy is enough to "short stroke" the pistol, which often results in the classic stovepipe jam.

Someone wrote that they like +P ammo because it increases slide velocity. Why on earth would you WANT to do that--accelerating wear and tear on your pistol? Hopefully you're using a shock-buff--I recomend CP Technologies; their buffer is brown and tough. I keep one in my duty gun--a Colt 1911 Enhanced because our issue ammo (230 grain +P Golt Dot) is quite brisk.

Gentlemen, consistent failures to cycle are not necessarily the hallmark of a defective gun. My duty gun mentioned above was purchased new in 1993. I'll guess that conservatively I've placed close to 70K rounds through it. I've done some mods on it--a beavertail, Bo-Mar front and rear sights (replaced with Champion night sights later), a 20 LPI serrated mainspring housing, dovetailed front sight and a Briley bushing. With the exception of faulty magazines or a few of my nastier handloads, it has NEVER failed to function or fire--with issue duty ammunition.

My off duty gun--or the one used when I'm on a boat pulling nets--is a Glock 22. I purchased it in 1999. I don't know how many tens of thousands of rounds I've put through it. It has also NEVER failed to feed or function.

I can make BOTH PISTOLS stovepipe simply by altering my grip on the pistols.

To the OP...I cast no aspersions on the other posters here. But I carry a semiauto to protect my life and the lives of others. I have done so for years.

I am also a gunsmith--I formerly had an open business, but now I just do my own.

I am also a Glock factory certified armorer, as well as a certified armorer for the AR15/M16 weapon line. This was done by Colt.

I tell you now that it does not matter how much you curl, lift, or press; you can grip the pistol improperly and induce a stoppage.

When you get to the range, get that pistol LOWER in your grip. Get the tail of that grip pressed DOWN into the web of your hand. NOW shoot the thing.

I'll ask that you would, as a favor, shoot me a PM and just tell me if it works.

Thanks, and I hope it turns out well for you.

[frigate88]

This guy started a thread for info and you guys turned it into a battle zone as to whether limp wristing is a myth or not. get the gun checked out, could be something wrong with it, also could be you. I've seen a few people new to guns with loose grips or weak wrists and had as many issues like you did. Let us know what it is.

[LD,goosechaser]

I to am new to these semi auto,s. i just recently purchased a glock 19 and a glock 26, i Brock them down and cleaned them and re lubed them. i shot rem. and winch. factory and they worked fine,but when i reloaded with 115 gr. rn with 3.5 grains of bullseye the guns would not eject.
the bullets are berry's and the oal is 1.160