Have you seen a sliding trigger like this before?

Andy Blozinski · September 16, 2020, 09:37 PM

Check out how the trigger on this 1921 pistol slides directly back, instead of rotating at a pivot point. I would think this would decrease trigger pull accuracy issues.

https://youtu.be/Xw4-e0UGz0w

imp · September 16, 2020, 09:55 PM

I think John M. Browning came up with a pistol with a trigger that slides straight back rather than pivoting back in ohhhh...1911 or so. I forget what it was called.

cslinger · September 16, 2020, 09:56 PM

That is one of the big advantages to the 1911.

**Aguila Blanca** · September 16, 2020, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imp

I think John M. Browning came up with a pistol with a trigger that slides straight back rather than pivoting back in ohhhh...1911 or so. I forget what it was called.

Or maybe it was 1903, or so ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB16gKJzSmo

https://www.gunpartscorp.com/gun-man...ket-hammerless

Andy Blozinski · September 16, 2020, 10:53 PM

I did not realize the 1911 had a trigger like that. I fired one 30 years ago and it just didn't do it for me so I've never messed with it again.
Now it makes me think I need to check out my Astra 600. I think it has a trigger like this. Maybe that's why the wife likes it so much.

**Aguila Blanca** · September 17, 2020, 01:00 AM

The 1911 has a sliding trigger, but it doesn't fold up like the one in this video.

Sliding triggers are considered to be more accurate than pivoting triggers, because the finger is pulling straight back rather than swinging through an arc.

Bill DeShivs · September 17, 2020, 03:00 AM

Your Astra 600 trigger pivots.

jetinteriorguy · September 17, 2020, 06:22 AM

That is such a cool little pistol, ingenious idea.

tipoc · September 17, 2020, 11:22 AM

Browning introduced that "sliding trigger" in in 1898 in prototypes. It went into production in 1900. You can see it below.

http://www.coltautos.com/1900.htm

tipoc

**44 AMP** · September 17, 2020, 11:33 AM

Be aware that a number of semis that look like they have sliding triggers actually have triggers that pivot.

reddog81 · September 17, 2020, 12:59 PM

More interesting than the sliding trigger is the fact that it folds into the frame. Additionally you can rack the slide one handed by just using your index finger and the cutout in the slide. I'm not sure how useful the features are but it does show some of the different innovations that were tried throughout time.

highpower3006 · September 18, 2020, 08:50 AM

Actually, I believe that the Colt M1900 is the first of JMB's designs to use the sliding trigger. There are many pistols that use a straight pull design for their triggers.

Of course there is the 1911 which I imagine is the one we all tend to think of first.

But also there is the Radom VIS:

The TT33 and it's various clones:

I'm sure there are others, but I can't think of them at the moment.

1911Tuner · September 21, 2020, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Actually, I believe that the Colt M1900 is the first of JMB's designs to use the sliding trigger.

The trigger in the M1900 pivoted. Likewise for the 1902, 1905, and 1907. Open tipoc's link for a picture and you'll notice the pin just above the trigger guard on that 1900.

All of Browning's pistols with long, sliding triggers had grip safeties. Couldn't get the trigger in and out of the thing without an opening in the back of the frame otherwise.

tipoc · September 21, 2020, 01:19 PM

1911 Tuner is correct. If we go to the link below we can see diagrams of the early Colt pistols. The trigger of which became the trigger for the 1911. It can be seen as one continuous design that "evolved" into the 191.

Note that they have both a pin that holds the trigger in place and a stirrup. The Colt 1903 Pocket Hammerless, in 32 acp, had no pin but did have the grip safety.

https://www.google.com/search?q=diag...PxC2jgYVTLPCOM

tipoc

**Aguila Blanca** · September 21, 2020, 02:21 PM

But the 1903 Pocket Hammerless had a sliding trigger, at least according to this schematic:

https://www.gunpartscorp.com/gun-man...ket-hammerless

tipoc · September 21, 2020, 02:33 PM

Also according to the schematics I posted.

Yes. I wasn't clear enough when I said it had no pin (and thus no pivot) but a stirrup, it slid straight back. 1911 Tuner had made the point earlier that a trigger with a pin pivots and does not slide straight back. So, having no pin means, in this case, that it must slide straight back.

Also look at the schematic for the Baby Browning in 25 acp.

I was wrong in post #9. The sliding trigger was introduce a few years later.

tipoc

September 16, 2020, 09:37 PM	#1
Andy Blozinski Senior Member Join Date: August 31, 2013 Posts: 525	Have you seen a sliding trigger like this before? Check out how the trigger on this 1921 pistol slides directly back, instead of rotating at a pivot point. I would think this would decrease trigger pull accuracy issues. https://youtu.be/Xw4-e0UGz0w

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Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 19,051	The 1911 has a sliding trigger, but it doesn't fold up like the one in this video. Sliding triggers are considered to be more accurate than pivoting triggers, because the finger is pulling straight back rather than swinging through an arc. __________________ NRA Life Member / Certified Instructor NRA Chief RSO / CMP RSO 1911 Certified Armorer Jeepaholic

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Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 11,107	Your Astra 600 trigger pivots. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

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44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 30,484	Be aware that a number of semis that look like they have sliding triggers actually have triggers that pivot. __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

September 16, 2020, 09:55 PM	#2
imp Senior Member Join Date: November 11, 2006 Posts: 626	I think John M. Browning came up with a pistol with a trigger that slides straight back rather than pivoting back in ohhhh...1911 or so. I forget what it was called.

September 16, 2020, 10:53 PM	#5
Andy Blozinski Senior Member Join Date: August 31, 2013 Posts: 525	I did not realize the 1911 had a trigger like that. I fired one 30 years ago and it just didn't do it for me so I've never messed with it again. Now it makes me think I need to check out my Astra 600. I think it has a trigger like this. Maybe that's why the wife likes it so much.

September 17, 2020, 06:22 AM	#8
jetinteriorguy Senior Member Join Date: April 28, 2013 Posts: 3,476	That is such a cool little pistol, ingenious idea.

September 17, 2020, 11:22 AM	#9
tipoc Senior Member Join Date: December 11, 2004 Location: Redwood City, Ca. Posts: 4,114	Browning introduced that "sliding trigger" in in 1898 in prototypes. It went into production in 1900. You can see it below. http://www.coltautos.com/1900.htm tipoc __________________ 1. All guns are always loaded. 2. Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy. 3. Keep your finger off the trigger till you are ready to shoot. 4. Identify your target and know what is beyond it.

September 17, 2020, 12:59 PM	#11
reddog81 Senior Member Join Date: October 16, 2014 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,659	More interesting than the sliding trigger is the fact that it folds into the frame. Additionally you can rack the slide one handed by just using your index finger and the cutout in the slide. I'm not sure how useful the features are but it does show some of the different innovations that were tried throughout time.

September 18, 2020, 08:50 AM	#12
highpower3006 Senior Member Join Date: July 30, 2011 Location: Savannah TN Posts: 1,221	Actually, I believe that the Colt M1900 is the first of JMB's designs to use the sliding trigger. There are many pistols that use a straight pull design for their triggers. Of course there is the 1911 which I imagine is the one we all tend to think of first. But also there is the Radom VIS: The TT33 and it's various clones: I'm sure there are others, but I can't think of them at the moment.

September 21, 2020, 01:19 PM	#14
tipoc Senior Member Join Date: December 11, 2004 Location: Redwood City, Ca. Posts: 4,114	1911 Tuner is correct. If we go to the link below we can see diagrams of the early Colt pistols. The trigger of which became the trigger for the 1911. It can be seen as one continuous design that "evolved" into the 191. Note that they have both a pin that holds the trigger in place and a stirrup. The Colt 1903 Pocket Hammerless, in 32 acp, had no pin but did have the grip safety. https://www.google.com/search?q=diag...PxC2jgYVTLPCOM tipoc __________________ 1. All guns are always loaded. 2. Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy. 3. Keep your finger off the trigger till you are ready to shoot. 4. Identify your target and know what is beyond it.

September 21, 2020, 02:21 PM	#15
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 19,051	But the 1903 Pocket Hammerless had a sliding trigger, at least according to this schematic: https://www.gunpartscorp.com/gun-man...ket-hammerless __________________ NRA Life Member / Certified Instructor NRA Chief RSO / CMP RSO 1911 Certified Armorer Jeepaholic

September 21, 2020, 02:33 PM	#16
tipoc Senior Member Join Date: December 11, 2004 Location: Redwood City, Ca. Posts: 4,114	Also according to the schematics I posted. Yes. I wasn't clear enough when I said it had no pin (and thus no pivot) but a stirrup, it slid straight back. 1911 Tuner had made the point earlier that a trigger with a pin pivots and does not slide straight back. So, having no pin means, in this case, that it must slide straight back. Also look at the schematic for the Baby Browning in 25 acp. I was wrong in post #9. The sliding trigger was introduce a few years later. tipoc __________________ 1. All guns are always loaded. 2. Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy. 3. Keep your finger off the trigger till you are ready to shoot. 4. Identify your target and know what is beyond it.