Advice on a new 22 lr - Page 2

sparkyv · January 26, 2019, 02:34 PM

CZ 455 Trainer if shooting open sights. The Trainer has excellent tangent sights. 10/22 if scoped.

Dufus · January 26, 2019, 02:52 PM

I have used a Mossberg 144LS since I was a kid. It has always shot really good and it has provided too many squirrels and cotton tails to count over the years.

A good classic gun if you wanna look for one. They are available on some firearm sites.

Dranrab · January 26, 2019, 07:41 PM

There are a lot of good 22's out there for a good price. It's hard to go wrong with a Savage. They are about the best bang for the buck out there.

FrankenMauser · January 27, 2019, 01:52 AM

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It's hard to go wrong with a Savage. They are about the best bang for the buck out there.

Savage has had increasingly more common quality issues over the last few years.
The problems are growing as they get closer and closer to bankruptcy.

They might still pass the "it's good enough" bar for most people, but I wouldn't buy one.

BigBL87 · January 27, 2019, 03:32 AM

As mentioned, Savage is a good bang for your buck. I will admit, though, that both of mine did have minor quality issues that I had to fix or get fixed since FrankenMauser mentioned QC issues.

My Savage Mark II had one of the scope base screws crossthreaded, so when I removed it and tried to replace it the threads had stripped out. Savage took care of me, but it was an annoyance. Now that it's all fixed, it is easily a sub-MOA rifle. Smallest group I've shot was about .6 MOA, which I'm sure could be tightened with a better shooter.

My Savage 10 FCP also had a scope base issue. This time, two of the base screws heads stripped out such that I couldn't remove them. I ended up using a dremel to cut a slot in the screws and used a flat head to get them out. Destroyed the bases in the process and had to replace them with Warne bases (which, by the by, I actually like better anyway). I think it was a combination of being overtorqued when installed and just poor metal quality on the screws.

That said, I'm very happy with both rifles. My Mark II FV in particular is probably my favorite rifle to shoot. I ended up dropping it in a Boyd's laminate stock and topping it off with a Mueller APV 4.5-14x40 scope. Added a pic of it below.

If I were to go a route other than Savage, my first choice would easily be a CZ.

NoSecondBest · January 27, 2019, 09:21 AM

One thought on the CZ's. You can easily change barrels on them and have a .22lr, a .22WMR, or a 17HMR. I have all three and they all shoot great. It's a five minute job to change them and they give you a magazine for each caliber. The barrels can be bought new for around a hundred-thirty bucks. My gun in 22lr will shoot under a half inch at 50 yards for five shots and also shoot right around three quarters of an inch at seventy-five yards in 17HMR. The first shot I ever took with the 17HMR was at a woodchuck at a lasered 208 yards and it simply dropped dead at the shot. They are truly an impressive gun and well worth the money. You can get three guns in one. They sell these guns in single calibers or in combo packs. You can easily buy barrels on line from many sources or right from CZ USA yourself. No FFL required for barrels.

Dano4734 · January 27, 2019, 11:23 AM

That cz combo looks really sweet I think i made my decision thank you

RC20 · January 27, 2019, 11:38 AM

I have an now out of production CZ452 Military Trainer.

I alwyas was looking for a gun to match my moms Winchester Pump from back in the day. I went through 4 x22s over the years.

CZ is sweet. Its really more a hunter type than a target but I use it for target.

Very accurate, iron sight is good and you can mount a rim fire scope easily (Wanre mounts)

Its got a decent trigger, not the greatest but certainly decent. I have a lot of fun with it at 50 yards and for sure sub MOA.

Nothing against Ruger or Savage. I would not buy a 10/22, but true of all semi auto.

joe45c · January 27, 2019, 03:15 PM

Dano, You are a better man than me. To be able to limit yourself to just ONE .22

Good luck with your CZ they are fine rifles.

FITASC · January 27, 2019, 03:22 PM

Another vote for the Marlin 60; less expensive than the Ruger, holds more, longer barrel and is generally more accurate.

GarandTd · January 27, 2019, 05:08 PM

I bought a used Marlin 981t last year that is pretty darned accurate. At 50 yards, I use spent shot gun shells and Dumdums as targets. At 100 yards, if it's not windy, I've put all round into a roughly 1" hole. I have a cheap 3-9x40 scope on it. For iron sight work, I have a Remington Apache77. It's the box mag version of the tube fed Nylon 66. It's pretty accurate as well. Feels like a BB gun.

Dano4734 · January 27, 2019, 08:43 PM

I had an old mint Winchester tube fed 22 mint condition i gave it to my kid for hunting spruce grouse in ak. Very accurate with iron but now i want to do some squirrels hunting here so the cz will probably do me just fine

PatientWolf · January 28, 2019, 05:11 AM

Enjoy your CZ.

Report back on it when you have time.

10-96 · January 28, 2019, 07:57 AM

Yeah, he'll be happy with his CZ's. His wife? Probably not so much. I started out with a .22LR 452 Military Trainer- thought for sure that was all I needed. Now I'm up to 6 CZ rimfires. It's amazing where a guy can find a new purpose for one if he looks hard enough. Lol

NoSecondBest · January 28, 2019, 09:36 AM

A couple of groups from my CZ 455 American with both .22lr and 17hmr barrels. Stock gun shot off my porch railing at camp. The unmarked orange dot group was six shots shot at 75 yards and the other is labeled at 50 yards with Norma ammo. It's a stock gun.

zxcvbob · January 28, 2019, 09:42 AM

Nobody mentioned a Browning SA-22 yet?

kenny53 · January 28, 2019, 10:28 AM

NoSecondBest, I don't think I could shoot a group that tight if the barrel was touching the paper. Good shooting.

January 26, 2019, 02:34 PM	#26
sparkyv Senior Member Join Date: May 2, 2015 Location: Texas Posts: 116	CZ 455 Trainer if shooting open sights. The Trainer has excellent tangent sights. 10/22 if scoped. __________________ μολὼν λαβέ NRA Life Member

January 27, 2019, 11:38 AM	#33
RC20 Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 5,870	I have an now out of production CZ452 Military Trainer. I alwyas was looking for a gun to match my moms Winchester Pump from back in the day. I went through 4 x22s over the years. CZ is sweet. Its really more a hunter type than a target but I use it for target. Very accurate, iron sight is good and you can mount a rim fire scope easily (Wanre mounts) Its got a decent trigger, not the greatest but certainly decent. I have a lot of fun with it at 50 yards and for sure sub MOA. Nothing against Ruger or Savage. I would not buy a 10/22, but true of all semi auto. __________________ Science and Facts are True whether you believe it or not

January 27, 2019, 03:22 PM	#35
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 4,860	Another vote for the Marlin 60; less expensive than the Ruger, holds more, longer barrel and is generally more accurate. __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

January 27, 2019, 05:08 PM	#36
GarandTd Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2016 Location: Western PA Posts: 1,074	I bought a used Marlin 981t last year that is pretty darned accurate. At 50 yards, I use spent shot gun shells and Dumdums as targets. At 100 yards, if it's not windy, I've put all round into a roughly 1" hole. I have a cheap 3-9x40 scope on it. For iron sight work, I have a Remington Apache77. It's the box mag version of the tube fed Nylon 66. It's pretty accurate as well. Feels like a BB gun. __________________ 22lr, 20 gauge, 8mm Mauser, 35 Remington, 30-06, 5.56x45/223, 9mm, 380acp

January 28, 2019, 07:57 AM	#39
10-96 Senior Member Join Date: October 19, 2005 Location: Tx Panhandle Territory Posts: 3,796	Yeah, he'll be happy with his CZ's. His wife? Probably not so much. I started out with a .22LR 452 Military Trainer- thought for sure that was all I needed. Now I'm up to 6 CZ rimfires. It's amazing where a guy can find a new purpose for one if he looks hard enough. Lol __________________ Rednecks... Keeping the woods critter-free since March 2, 1836. (TX Independence Day) I'm going to use the words "clip" and "Long Colt" every chance I get. It grinds my gears to see new members attacked when we all know dang good and well what's being refered to.

January 26, 2019, 02:52 PM	#27
Dufus Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 2014 Location: Texas Posts: 1,672	I have used a Mossberg 144LS since I was a kid. It has always shot really good and it has provided too many squirrels and cotton tails to count over the years. A good classic gun if you wanna look for one. They are available on some firearm sites.

January 26, 2019, 07:41 PM	#28
Dranrab Senior Member Join Date: January 24, 2016 Location: NOLA Posts: 177	There are a lot of good 22's out there for a good price. It's hard to go wrong with a Savage. They are about the best bang for the buck out there.

January 27, 2019, 03:32 AM	#30
BigBL87 Senior Member Join Date: March 13, 2014 Location: Tonica, IL Posts: 443	As mentioned, Savage is a good bang for your buck. I will admit, though, that both of mine did have minor quality issues that I had to fix or get fixed since FrankenMauser mentioned QC issues. My Savage Mark II had one of the scope base screws crossthreaded, so when I removed it and tried to replace it the threads had stripped out. Savage took care of me, but it was an annoyance. Now that it's all fixed, it is easily a sub-MOA rifle. Smallest group I've shot was about .6 MOA, which I'm sure could be tightened with a better shooter. My Savage 10 FCP also had a scope base issue. This time, two of the base screws heads stripped out such that I couldn't remove them. I ended up using a dremel to cut a slot in the screws and used a flat head to get them out. Destroyed the bases in the process and had to replace them with Warne bases (which, by the by, I actually like better anyway). I think it was a combination of being overtorqued when installed and just poor metal quality on the screws. That said, I'm very happy with both rifles. My Mark II FV in particular is probably my favorite rifle to shoot. I ended up dropping it in a Boyd's laminate stock and topping it off with a Mueller APV 4.5-14x40 scope. Added a pic of it below. If I were to go a route other than Savage, my first choice would easily be a CZ.

January 27, 2019, 09:21 AM	#31
NoSecondBest Senior Member Join Date: December 7, 2009 Location: Western New York Posts: 2,210	One thought on the CZ's. You can easily change barrels on them and have a .22lr, a .22WMR, or a 17HMR. I have all three and they all shoot great. It's a five minute job to change them and they give you a magazine for each caliber. The barrels can be bought new for around a hundred-thirty bucks. My gun in 22lr will shoot under a half inch at 50 yards for five shots and also shoot right around three quarters of an inch at seventy-five yards in 17HMR. The first shot I ever took with the 17HMR was at a woodchuck at a lasered 208 yards and it simply dropped dead at the shot. They are truly an impressive gun and well worth the money. You can get three guns in one. They sell these guns in single calibers or in combo packs. You can easily buy barrels on line from many sources or right from CZ USA yourself. No FFL required for barrels.

January 27, 2019, 11:23 AM	#32
Dano4734 Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2014 Posts: 712	That cz combo looks really sweet I think i made my decision thank you

January 27, 2019, 03:15 PM	#34
joe45c Senior Member Join Date: January 22, 2012 Location: peru ny Posts: 197	Dano, You are a better man than me. To be able to limit yourself to just ONE .22 Good luck with your CZ they are fine rifles.

January 27, 2019, 08:43 PM	#37
Dano4734 Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2014 Posts: 712	I had an old mint Winchester tube fed 22 mint condition i gave it to my kid for hunting spruce grouse in ak. Very accurate with iron but now i want to do some squirrels hunting here so the cz will probably do me just fine

January 28, 2019, 05:11 AM	#38
PatientWolf Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2012 Location: NC Posts: 806	Enjoy your CZ. Report back on it when you have time.

January 28, 2019, 09:42 AM	#41
zxcvbob Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2007 Location: S.E. Minnesota Posts: 4,416	Nobody mentioned a Browning SA-22 yet? __________________ "The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun"

January 28, 2019, 10:28 AM	#42
kenny53 Senior Member Join Date: December 30, 2015 Location: My back yard Posts: 567	NoSecondBest, I don't think I could shoot a group that tight if the barrel was touching the paper. Good shooting.

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