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August 4, 2017, 08:19 AM | #26 |
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I don't doubt DPD sent out the memo. I'm less confident about their capability to make that determination or the rationale behind it.
And anytime you ask a yes/no question and get several qualifiers appended to it ("with this weapon"and "as a result of this defect") that's a pretty sure sign you've got lawyers roaming about in the background. Last edited by Bartholomew Roberts; August 4, 2017 at 08:24 AM. |
August 4, 2017, 12:13 PM | #27 |
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Word on the street is that San Antonio P D also banned the P320 like DPD did. Just rumor at this point.
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August 4, 2017, 01:23 PM | #28 |
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^^^ Is there ANYTHING in this thread that can be verified as factual from an independent source?
FWIW the local news media in D/FW is totally silent.
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August 4, 2017, 03:54 PM | #30 |
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Well, it is easy enough to just ask Dallas PD: [email protected]
The problem is, that when you do and report your results here, you'll be just another random, untrustworthy, Internet source to most folks. Dallas is unlikely to issue any official statement on something like this until it hits the point the public information officer gets tired of answering the same request. Even then, it might just be an internet link or tweet vs. a press release. |
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This info about SIGs response is on a couple different sources.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...ols-drop-safe/ Quote:
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August 4, 2017, 04:42 PM | #32 |
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I don't think you can make a more affirmative statement. Good for SIG.
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August 4, 2017, 04:57 PM | #34 |
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I am glad that SIG has released some official statement regarding this issue, or non-issue, as the case may be.
It still leaves a lot of questions unanswered, such as: What "defect" did the Dallas PD identify in the design of the P320 that raised concerns with about a safety issue? How did Dallas PD become aware of this potential "defect"? Did SIG Sauer communicate with the Dallas PD regarding the P320 either before or after they decided to pull it from the approved service list? Did the Dallas PD communicate with SIG Sauer either before or after pulling it from service? What is the Dallas PD now doing to redress this issue? What is SIG Sauer now doing to redress this issue? |
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If Dallas P D re-approves the P320 that will be all that needs to be said.
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August 4, 2017, 05:37 PM | #37 |
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Here is an interesting thought exercise. In what way do the approved 226 safeties and the disapproved 320 safeties differ?
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August 4, 2017, 05:41 PM | #38 |
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This should concern every Sig 320 owner. Or a least an owner in my area that would like to get rid of one cheap!
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August 4, 2017, 05:45 PM | #39 |
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Sounds to me like there is no recall or design change in the offing so 'tempest in a teapot' or 'much ado about nothing' seems what I'm going to get out of this kerfuffle.
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https://www.sigsauer.com/products/fi.../pistols/p320/ SAFETY WITHOUT COMPROMISE. Quote:
A striker fired gun dropped muzzle down is the same as the hammer fired gun. But dropped muzzle up, all it takes is enough inertia to operate the trigger and the gun will fire. Because if the trigger operates, then the passive safeties disengage. I don't have numbers for the P320, nor am I familiar with the internal design aspects of the system so I can't say much about it. I can provide an example of what the trigger safety buys you in another roughly (very roughly?) similar design. I ran the numbers for a Glock dropped muzzle up from 4 feet so that the back of the slide hits first. Without the trigger safety, physics says it would fire. The trigger safety makes the trigger system essentially inertia-proof. https://www.thehighroad.org/index.ph...#post-10179831
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Dropped muzzle up and the trigger bar would be driven rearward. The trigger bar has to go forward on the P320 to release the striker.
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August 4, 2017, 07:53 PM | #42 |
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I can't find a detailed explanation of the P320, safety; but the P250 safety was designed so that if you dropped it muzzle up, the action to lift the firing pin block was in a different direction than the forces working on the trigger.
SIG offered the P320 from the get-go with a center-slot type safety if requested as an additional safety feature; but claimed it was unnecessary in light of their advanced design. Between the SIG press release and the Dallas PD memo, there are some interesting possibilities. In any case, it appears DPD finds the 226 safety system as OK; but the 320 system as a no-go. Since the two major differences are the striker and the modular frame, a safe bet suggests whatever imagined problem there is focuses on that difference. |
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So in that case, it would be much harder. In the Glock design, the trigger bar and striker both move backwards initially to fire the gun so inertia works on both of them the same way.
In the P320 design the striker would still move backwards but if the trigger bar moves forward to fire the gun then it's going to be pretty difficult to get them both moving in the proper direction at the same time from inertia. That may be why they felt like they didn't need the trigger safety.
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Isn't there a drop-of-the-firearm warning issued in every pistol's owner's manual?
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They didn't need to say it's possible for any loaded firearm to discharge when dropped.
Anyone with a brain knows that it's possible for any loaded firearm to be discharged without being touched much less dropped. To say something is impossible, just shows a lack of knowledge in exactly what is possible. |
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And the hits keep coming for the red faced DPD.
http://www.tactical-life.com/news/si...pd/#sig-p320-2 Rumors of Dallas PD Issues with Sig Sauer P320 Are False Quote:
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