Does anyone Reload 45ACP rounds less than 165gr?

Jamie Young · February 17, 2002, 01:32 PM

Just out of Curiousity. I have seen some factory loads under 165gr lately and I found it incredible Bizarre. If you do what Kind of accuracy are you getting? Can the 165gr 45ACP exceed 40cal 165gr pressures?

I see a lot fo 165gr Hydra-Shoks out there for the 45ACP. I was just wondering how that compares to 40cal 165gr rounds. Does anyone know where I can get 165gr HP for reloading?

Archie · February 17, 2002, 11:42 PM

I've a partial box of 155 LSWC bullets in .45 ACP. But I think we are talking about different things.

I managed a load of AA5 that worked the action. MV was around 1050 or so. Recoil was light but abrupt. Felt very strange for a 45 awfulmatic.

Accuracy is good. But I've only shot it on indoor 50 foot ranges. I think it may work for bullseye shooting.
But this probably is not what you seek, correct?

Archie · February 18, 2002, 12:27 AM

Oops. Looked like it didn't take.

Jamie Young · February 18, 2002, 01:07 AM

I was searching the World Wide Web yesterday and stubled upon some IQ ammo that was something like 105grs or somewhere way down there. I was wondering how you could go that low and end up with a "Round" ball of ammo. For the 45 diameter I would wonder if the bullet would look more like a Pie than a Ball.

KP95DAO · February 18, 2002, 01:30 AM

I have bullets I make and have driven 87 gr ones at 1930 fps and 103 gr ones at 1880 fps out of a fully supported 1911.

These are made from the bottom half of 45 acp cases with hotglue cores. The cases used to load them were R-P and I would give the powder type; but, I am forbidden from mentioning it.

It was interesting to play with but not very practical.

LONGRIFLE30 · February 18, 2002, 03:05 AM

If you like that, try the 10mm Auto....

LONGRIFLE30 · February 18, 2002, 03:08 AM

In the 10mm, I can do a 135@1788 fps.. and that was the 5-round average.................

jtduncan · February 18, 2002, 04:46 AM

There is a reason why there are so many of those 165 grain HS PD rounds . . . they suck.

Heck, 9mm rounds go up to 147 grains.

40Sw has some nice loads in the 155-165 range. ProLoad, Sabres, Gold Dots and the like.

!0mm even hotter and better.

In 45 ACP, the round doesn't really start to shine until the 185 and even better, best, the 200 grain LSWC round for bullseye shooters at 50 yards out.

Let some other chumps work on the anemic 165 grainers.

But for SD, if you want light, get the 200 grain Gold Dot JHPs. Flying ashtrays.

But that other stuff is like Tricks, for kids!

Jamie Young · February 18, 2002, 05:47 AM

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In 45 ACP, the round doesn't really start to shine until the 185 and even better, best, the 200 grain LSWC round for bullseye shooters at 50 yards out

Thats what I say!!! Every single Gunshop in the area only carries the 165gr Hydra-Shoks. I don't get that

I carry 230gr Ball ammo. I did have some 230HP but I shot them all up

Edward429451 · February 18, 2002, 09:17 AM

I've been crankin out blue tip safety slugs at 140 & 145 gr, and had reasonable results, but am a big believer in momentum so have switched to capping them with a 00 buckshot instead of the lightweight blue plastic cap, which is also cheaper. They're falling out at 185 gr now, but serious testing has stopped due to my chrony catching one accidently...

Khornet · February 18, 2002, 09:24 AM

I have a pet load 152 gr LSWC which shine brilliantly for conventional bullseye shooting. Very comfy to shoot too. Depends on what you're shooting at.

Gewehr98 · February 18, 2002, 01:32 PM

They load a 155gr hard cast SWC, at darn good velocities. The bullet is basically a shortened Hensley & Gibbs #68, looking a lot like it's 200 grain big brother. With this light a bullet, and a heavy charge of powder, there's a lot of gas pressure developed, which makes the compensators and muzzle brakes on the IPSC unlimiteds work just spiffy. These guns just plain don't flip in recoil, they come straight back. If you see one of these .45's in action, it will remind one of a German steam locomotive being strafed by a P-47 Thunderbolt, an explosion of smoke coming straight up out of the stack.

I've got a bunch of the 155's, and loaded them for my 3.5" Caspian Officer's ACP. Giddyup, but oh, my, the flash!

ryucasta · February 18, 2002, 07:21 PM

I currently load 155 Bear Creek Bullets for Steel.

Case capacity and propellant properties may vary considerably from lot to lot!

**** Input data: Date: 18-Feb-2002 Time: 16:18:40
Cartridge................. = .45 Auto (ACP) (SAAMI)
Projectile type........... = .452, 155, Bear Creek (Moly) with flatbase

Max.avg.pressure(Piezo SAA)= 21000 psi Shot start / init pressure = 754 psi
Projectile weight (gr)= 155 Groove caliber (in)= 0.451
Length of cartridge (in)= 1.241 Length of case (in)= 0.898
Case capacity(Grains Water)= 25.00 Length of projectile (in)= 0.570
Length of barrel (in)= 5.000
**** Values calculated:
Seating depth (in)= 0.227 Volume displaced (gn H2O)= 9.19
Comb.chamber volume(gn H2O)= 15.81 Projectile travel (in)= 4.329
**** Input data:
Propellant type........... = Vihtavuori N320
Charge weight..........(gr)= 6.0 Load density......(g/cu.cm)= 0.379
Heat of Explosion (cal/lb)= 448530 Ratio of spec. heats cp/cv = 1.229
Solid density (gr/cu.in)= 349.0 Weighting factor.......... = 0.8
Burning rate factor Ba(1/s)= 3.585 Pro-/degressivity factor a = 1.029
Burning limit ......... z1 = 0.5 Combust.Chamber Vb(ft³)= 3.625086E-5
Factor.................. b = 1.662 X-S.Area of Bore A(ft²)= 1.090312E-3
Bulk density (gr/cu.in)= 141.6 Projectile mass mp (lb)= 2.214286E-2
Loading ratio (%)= 67.6 Projectile travel x(ft)= 3.607612E-1

**** Results calculated:
Maximum pressure ........ = 14822 psi Way of projectile at Pmax = 0.37 in
Muzzle velocity ......Ve = 1066 fps Muzzle pressure ......Pe = 2875 psi
Project. energy at muzzle = 391 ft.lbs Fraction of powder burnt = 99.5 %
Projectile travel time from 10% Pmax to muzzle = .62 ms

February 17, 2002, 01:32 PM	#1
Jamie Young Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2000 Location: SE/PA Posts: 4,834	Does anyone Reload 45ACP rounds less than 165gr? Just out of Curiousity. I have seen some factory loads under 165gr lately and I found it incredible Bizarre. If you do what Kind of accuracy are you getting? Can the 165gr 45ACP exceed 40cal 165gr pressures? I see a lot fo 165gr Hydra-Shoks out there for the 45ACP. I was just wondering how that compares to 40cal 165gr rounds. Does anyone know where I can get 165gr HP for reloading? __________________ Find out about Gun Shows and Training activities. www.TheRallyPoint.org Get your gun club involved!!

February 17, 2002, 11:42 PM	#2
Archie Senior Member Join Date: May 26, 2000 Location: Hastings, Nebrasksa - the Hear Posts: 2,209	SodaPop... I've a partial box of 155 LSWC bullets in .45 ACP. But I think we are talking about different things. I managed a load of AA5 that worked the action. MV was around 1050 or so. Recoil was light but abrupt. Felt very strange for a 45 awfulmatic. Accuracy is good. But I've only shot it on indoor 50 foot ranges. I think it may work for bullseye shooting. But this probably is not what you seek, correct? __________________ There ain't no free lunch, except Jesus. Archie Check out updated journal at http://oldmanmontgomery.wordpress.com/

February 18, 2002, 12:27 AM	#3
Archie Senior Member Join Date: May 26, 2000 Location: Hastings, Nebrasksa - the Hear Posts: 2,209	SodaPop... Oops. Looked like it didn't take. __________________ There ain't no free lunch, except Jesus. Archie Check out updated journal at http://oldmanmontgomery.wordpress.com/

February 18, 2002, 01:07 AM	#4
Jamie Young Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2000 Location: SE/PA Posts: 4,834	Archie I was searching the World Wide Web yesterday and stubled upon some IQ ammo that was something like 105grs or somewhere way down there. I was wondering how you could go that low and end up with a "Round" ball of ammo. For the 45 diameter I would wonder if the bullet would look more like a Pie than a Ball. __________________ Find out about Gun Shows and Training activities. www.TheRallyPoint.org Get your gun club involved!!

February 18, 2002, 01:30 AM	#5
KP95DAO Senior Member Join Date: December 30, 2000 Posts: 699	Need for 45 speed? I have bullets I make and have driven 87 gr ones at 1930 fps and 103 gr ones at 1880 fps out of a fully supported 1911. These are made from the bottom half of 45 acp cases with hotglue cores. The cases used to load them were R-P and I would give the powder type; but, I am forbidden from mentioning it. It was interesting to play with but not very practical.

February 18, 2002, 03:05 AM	#6
LONGRIFLE30 Member Join Date: February 16, 2002 Location: Wichita Falls,TX. Posts: 49	If you like that, try the 10mm Auto....

February 18, 2002, 03:08 AM	#7
LONGRIFLE30 Member Join Date: February 16, 2002 Location: Wichita Falls,TX. Posts: 49	In the 10mm, I can do a 135@1788 fps.. and that was the 5-round average.................

February 18, 2002, 04:46 AM	#8
jtduncan Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 1999 Location: Seattle, Washington, USA Posts: 1,686	There is a reason why there are so many of those 165 grain HS PD rounds . . . they suck. Heck, 9mm rounds go up to 147 grains. 40Sw has some nice loads in the 155-165 range. ProLoad, Sabres, Gold Dots and the like. !0mm even hotter and better. In 45 ACP, the round doesn't really start to shine until the 185 and even better, best, the 200 grain LSWC round for bullseye shooters at 50 yards out. Let some other chumps work on the anemic 165 grainers. But for SD, if you want light, get the 200 grain Gold Dot JHPs. Flying ashtrays. But that other stuff is like Tricks, for kids! __________________ The Seattle SharpShooter Reloaded .223 Rem, 9mm, 40SW, 357 SIG, 10mm, 44 Mag, 45 ACP Today?

February 18, 2002, 09:17 AM	#10
Edward429451 Junior member Join Date: November 12, 2000 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado Posts: 9,494	I've been crankin out blue tip safety slugs at 140 & 145 gr, and had reasonable results, but am a big believer in momentum so have switched to capping them with a 00 buckshot instead of the lightweight blue plastic cap, which is also cheaper. They're falling out at 185 gr now, but serious testing has stopped due to my chrony catching one accidently...

February 18, 2002, 09:24 AM	#11
Khornet Senior Member Join Date: December 11, 2001 Location: NH Posts: 585	45ACP light bullets I have a pet load 152 gr LSWC which shine brilliantly for conventional bullseye shooting. Very comfy to shoot too. Depends on what you're shooting at. __________________ The M1 does MY talking!

February 18, 2002, 01:32 PM	#12
Gewehr98 Senior Member Join Date: June 30, 2000 Location: Token Creek, WI Posts: 4,067	For IPSC race guns They load a 155gr hard cast SWC, at darn good velocities. The bullet is basically a shortened Hensley & Gibbs #68, looking a lot like it's 200 grain big brother. With this light a bullet, and a heavy charge of powder, there's a lot of gas pressure developed, which makes the compensators and muzzle brakes on the IPSC unlimiteds work just spiffy. These guns just plain don't flip in recoil, they come straight back. If you see one of these .45's in action, it will remind one of a German steam locomotive being strafed by a P-47 Thunderbolt, an explosion of smoke coming straight up out of the stack. I've got a bunch of the 155's, and loaded them for my 3.5" Caspian Officer's ACP. Giddyup, but oh, my, the flash! __________________ "Bother", said Pooh, as he chambered another round... Neural Misfires

February 18, 2002, 07:21 PM	#13
ryucasta Senior Member Join Date: February 4, 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 431	I currently load 155 Bear Creek Bullets for Steel. Case capacity and propellant properties may vary considerably from lot to lot! ** Input data: Date: 18-Feb-2002 Time: 16:18:40 Cartridge................. = .45 Auto (ACP) (SAAMI) Projectile type........... = .452, 155, Bear Creek (Moly) with flatbase Max.avg.pressure(Piezo SAA)= 21000 psi Shot start / init pressure = 754 psi Projectile weight (gr)= 155 Groove caliber (in)= 0.451 Length of cartridge (in)= 1.241 Length of case (in)= 0.898 Case capacity(Grains Water)= 25.00 Length of projectile (in)= 0.570 Length of barrel (in)= 5.000 Values calculated: Seating depth (in)= 0.227 Volume displaced (gn H2O)= 9.19 Comb.chamber volume(gn H2O)= 15.81 Projectile travel (in)= 4.329 Input data: Propellant type........... = Vihtavuori N320 Charge weight..........(gr)= 6.0 Load density......(g/cu.cm)= 0.379 Heat of Explosion (cal/lb)= 448530 Ratio of spec. heats cp/cv = 1.229 Solid density (gr/cu.in)= 349.0 Weighting factor.......... = 0.8 Burning rate factor Ba(1/s)= 3.585 Pro-/degressivity factor a = 1.029 Burning limit ......... z1 = 0.5 Combust.Chamber Vb(ft³)= 3.625086E-5 Factor.................. b = 1.662 X-S.Area of Bore A(ft²)= 1.090312E-3 Bulk density (gr/cu.in)= 141.6 Projectile mass mp (lb)= 2.214286E-2 Loading ratio (%)= 67.6 Projectile travel x(ft)= 3.607612E-1 ** Results calculated: Maximum pressure ........ = 14822 psi Way of projectile at Pmax = 0.37 in Muzzle velocity ......Ve = 1066 fps Muzzle pressure ......Pe = 2875 psi Project. energy at muzzle = 391 ft.lbs Fraction of powder burnt = 99.5 % Projectile travel time from 10% Pmax to muzzle = .62 ms