#12 bird shot

vts · September 7, 2009, 09:13 AM

I am curious about #12 bird shot, what are they good fore?
Humming birds and bee's?
And where can I get some?

B.L.E. · September 7, 2009, 10:02 AM

I think that's what is loaded in .22 rimfire shotshells. Good for killing rats in the barn so it's often called ratshot.

xm21 · September 7, 2009, 12:02 PM

The Sportsmans Guide sells Rio shells with number 12 shot.

zippy13 · September 7, 2009, 12:16 PM

There are specialized loads for those going after birds for taxonomy collections, and they want to minimize the damage to the specimens. No. 12 (and smaller) shot can be used in these applications.

oneounceload · September 7, 2009, 01:39 PM

As mentioned above - they are what come in .22 shotshells. I have some CCI ones that would work on a snake IF it was close.....

Russ5924 · September 7, 2009, 02:28 PM

For making your own .357 snake loads

mwar410 · September 7, 2009, 02:36 PM

Remington made a little smooth bore .22, And they use to shoot little tiny clays. All I can remember was little skeeter.

oregon-john · September 7, 2009, 02:38 PM

I would think that it would have a very short effective kill range.

cbm1948 · September 7, 2009, 02:57 PM

MWAR410: Winchester made a model 61,22 pump, in smooth bore for gallery shooting. I have actually shot one trying to help reduce a colony of carpenter bumble bees attacking a wooden shed. Hellva lot of fun. Remington produced a model 572 smooth in 22 LR.

Clint

TYM2MOTR · September 7, 2009, 04:35 PM

Federal makes a #12 shot 22 LR which I prefer over the CCI as it's crimped brass instead of having a plastic cap and I can cycle it safely in my Henry lever. CCI also makes a #12 shot 9mm Luger round (2x payload), I have tried it in my 995, better than the 22 but it has to be hand fed. My favorite short distance, small shot shell round is the #9 shot CCI 45 Colt that I use in a NEF Survivor. Even though it's rifled it also has a choke...great yard / garden round.

Don't underestimate the 22LR #12 shot, I have dispatched trapped nuisance Raccoons with them where I was worried about possible over penetration / ricochets...(i.e., in my attic)

armsmaster270 · September 7, 2009, 05:29 PM

I bought 10 pounds of #12 shot and use it for .38/.357 and .44 cal snake loads with the CCI Shotholders.

olddrum1 · September 8, 2009, 12:16 AM

My guess that its not to good for humming birds. With what the fine and time would equal, you could have bought a ton of 9 shot for that one shot.

vts · September 8, 2009, 07:24 AM

Olddrum1 is right that it would not be advisable to shoot a humming bird, unless it was a case of DLP.

Thank you for all your help. Will look for Rio shells

csmsss · September 8, 2009, 08:36 AM

Y'all seem to be dismissive of the threat that hummingbirds pose to well-meaning folk. I myself was set upon by a dozen or more of these fearsome creatures whilst carving a fourth of July watermelon, and barely escaped with my life, surrendering the succulent treat in the process to their ruthless assaults. I'll never forget the panic I felt in the face of their brutality.

vts · September 8, 2009, 07:21 PM

Csmsss
The treat of Hummingbirds is a well documented fact, take a look at these videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4iz7cc8GiE

This video was found near the humming bird feeder, the two people are still missing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSIZY...eature=related

This video was shoot from a Humming bird cage by a professional. Imagine a swarm of them attacking you and your family.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Cy22...eature=related

This might be the best defense we have against them, loaded with #12 bird shot.
http://www.defensereview.com/auto-as...treatment-pic/

oneounceload · September 8, 2009, 07:44 PM

12 shot also makes a great shotshell for dispatching giant moths that like to congregate near big lights. We used to have moth-shoots interrupt our weekly night league at times. Amazing how resilient those suckers are

zippy13 · September 8, 2009, 08:41 PM

oneounceload

What do you keep for back-up in the event you run across an aggressive, baddass moth with an attitude who just laughs at your #12s?

oneounceload · September 8, 2009, 08:57 PM

Why either a 3" shell full of number 2's or your typical 1-1/4 oz 3-3/4 DE pigeon load of course! It truly was amazing how some of those suckers didn't die from the muzzle blast and concussion, they were that close.....

george_etta · April 10, 2011, 12:01 PM

.22's something about routledge bored . .22 to a say .50 cal smooth bore . I think 1950's . I saw a guy pop a milk carton when i was 12 with .22lr shotcartridge ..might've killed mouse or rat maybe -indoors or cornered ..or raiding starlings or nests around house -you might "scare" vermin but snake ? ..timber rattlers are big and you'd want a 357 load at least -and time to draw and shoot vs snake ?? (in ny illegal -and reptiles don't die fast ..it was a 10'-15' shot idea ..shooting in rifling i think lead streaks into the rifling making a mess requiring much cleaning . I loaded my 22 rev. With shot when working in attic, had it well lit [protection against bats] ..if 1'd come near i was going to pop it ..having went thru rabies shots before ..not again if i can help it and if they brush asgainst you ..it's shots city for a month !

When i was a kid unc and chums got rattlers sunday morn ..5 bucks a head (state bounty) rattle was proof . Timber rattlers, ..they were shot in head for snake oil -only the head, shot thru body ruined the batch they were boiled i think for arthritis meds ..snake oil . Family up split rock supposedly the youngest kid got a .410 (probably 6's those days) and had to take head shots or else no supper . Do not try this at home you may get a rash or worse !

I have ithaca skb 20 ga split stock woes .

george_etta · April 10, 2011, 12:02 PM

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September 7, 2009, 02:28 PM	#6
Russ5924 Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 2005 Posts: 1,874	For making your own .357 snake loads __________________ Russ5924

September 7, 2009, 02:36 PM	#7
mwar410 Senior Member Join Date: December 25, 2008 Location: maine Posts: 234	what was the old remington? Remington made a little smooth bore .22, And they use to shoot little tiny clays. All I can remember was little skeeter.

September 7, 2009, 04:35 PM	#10
TYM2MOTR Member Join Date: July 17, 2009 Location: Steuben Co. NY Posts: 24	Federal makes a #12 shot 22 LR which I prefer over the CCI as it's crimped brass instead of having a plastic cap and I can cycle it safely in my Henry lever. CCI also makes a #12 shot 9mm Luger round (2x payload), I have tried it in my 995, better than the 22 but it has to be hand fed. My favorite short distance, small shot shell round is the #9 shot CCI 45 Colt that I use in a NEF Survivor. Even though it's rifled it also has a choke...great yard / garden round. Don't underestimate the 22LR #12 shot, I have dispatched trapped nuisance Raccoons with them where I was worried about possible over penetration / ricochets...(i.e., in my attic) Last edited by TYM2MOTR; September 7, 2009 at 05:36 PM.

September 7, 2009, 05:29 PM	#11
armsmaster270 Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2008 Location: California Posts: 1,951	I bought 10 pounds of #12 shot and use it for .38/.357 and .44 cal snake loads with the CCI Shotholders. __________________ http://www.armsmaster.net-a.googlepages.com http://s239.photobucket.com/albums/f...aster270/Guns/ Retired LE, M.P., Sr. M.P. Investigator F.B.I. Trained Rangemaster/Firearms Instructor & Armorer, Presently Forensic Document Examiner for D.H.S.

September 8, 2009, 07:24 AM	#13
vts Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 242	Olddrum1 is right that it would not be advisable to shoot a humming bird, unless it was a case of DLP. Thank you for all your help. Will look for Rio shells __________________ California, The Land Of the Not So Free. Flinch and you'll be chasing your head down Fifth Street! Joe Friday. http://www.chuckhawks.com/825_magnum.htm Why not a .88 magnum?

September 7, 2009, 09:13 AM	#1
vts Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 242	#12 bird shot I am curious about #12 bird shot, what are they good fore? Humming birds and bee's? And where can I get some? __________________ California, The Land Of the Not So Free. Flinch and you'll be chasing your head down Fifth Street! Joe Friday. http://www.chuckhawks.com/825_magnum.htm Why not a .88 magnum?

September 7, 2009, 10:02 AM	#2
B.L.E. Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2008 Location: Somewhere on the Southern shore of Lake Travis, TX Posts: 2,603	I think that's what is loaded in .22 rimfire shotshells. Good for killing rats in the barn so it's often called ratshot.

September 7, 2009, 12:02 PM	#3
xm21 Senior Member Join Date: April 29, 2008 Posts: 177	The Sportsmans Guide sells Rio shells with number 12 shot.

September 7, 2009, 12:16 PM	#4
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	There are specialized loads for those going after birds for taxonomy collections, and they want to minimize the damage to the specimens. No. 12 (and smaller) shot can be used in these applications.

September 7, 2009, 01:39 PM	#5
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	As mentioned above - they are what come in .22 shotshells. I have some CCI ones that would work on a snake IF it was close.....

September 7, 2009, 02:38 PM	#8
oregon-john Member Join Date: March 6, 2009 Location: Sutherlin, OR Posts: 32	I would think that it would have a very short effective kill range.

September 7, 2009, 02:57 PM	#9
cbm1948 Senior Member Join Date: August 10, 2008 Location: Georgia Posts: 143	MWAR410: Winchester made a model 61,22 pump, in smooth bore for gallery shooting. I have actually shot one trying to help reduce a colony of carpenter bumble bees attacking a wooden shed. Hellva lot of fun. Remington produced a model 572 smooth in 22 LR. Clint __________________ Illegitimi Non Carborundum

September 8, 2009, 12:16 AM	#12
olddrum1 Senior Member Join Date: March 23, 2008 Location: Mid Missouri Posts: 807	My guess that its not to good for humming birds. With what the fine and time would equal, you could have bought a ton of 9 shot for that one shot.

September 8, 2009, 08:36 AM	#14
csmsss Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Orange, TX Posts: 3,078	Y'all seem to be dismissive of the threat that hummingbirds pose to well-meaning folk. I myself was set upon by a dozen or more of these fearsome creatures whilst carving a fourth of July watermelon, and barely escaped with my life, surrendering the succulent treat in the process to their ruthless assaults. I'll never forget the panic I felt in the face of their brutality.

September 8, 2009, 07:21 PM	#15
vts Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 242	Csmsss The treat of Hummingbirds is a well documented fact, take a look at these videos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4iz7cc8GiE This video was found near the humming bird feeder, the two people are still missing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSIZY...eature=related This video was shoot from a Humming bird cage by a professional. Imagine a swarm of them attacking you and your family. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Cy22...eature=related This might be the best defense we have against them, loaded with #12 bird shot. http://www.defensereview.com/auto-as...treatment-pic/ __________________ California, The Land Of the Not So Free. Flinch and you'll be chasing your head down Fifth Street! Joe Friday. http://www.chuckhawks.com/825_magnum.htm Why not a .88 magnum?

September 8, 2009, 07:44 PM	#16
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	12 shot also makes a great shotshell for dispatching giant moths that like to congregate near big lights. We used to have moth-shoots interrupt our weekly night league at times. Amazing how resilient those suckers are

September 8, 2009, 08:41 PM	#17
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	oneounceload What do you keep for back-up in the event you run across an aggressive, baddass moth with an attitude who just laughs at your #12s?

September 8, 2009, 08:57 PM	#18
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	Why either a 3" shell full of number 2's or your typical 1-1/4 oz 3-3/4 DE pigeon load of course! It truly was amazing how some of those suckers didn't die from the muzzle blast and concussion, they were that close.....

April 10, 2011, 12:01 PM	#19
george_etta Junior Member Join Date: August 17, 2010 Posts: 5	12 shot remington .22's something about routledge bored . .22 to a say .50 cal smooth bore . I think 1950's . I saw a guy pop a milk carton when i was 12 with .22lr shotcartridge ..might've killed mouse or rat maybe -indoors or cornered ..or raiding starlings or nests around house -you might "scare" vermin but snake ? ..timber rattlers are big and you'd want a 357 load at least -and time to draw and shoot vs snake ?? (in ny illegal -and reptiles don't die fast ..it was a 10'-15' shot idea ..shooting in rifling i think lead streaks into the rifling making a mess requiring much cleaning . I loaded my 22 rev. With shot when working in attic, had it well lit [protection against bats] ..if 1'd come near i was going to pop it ..having went thru rabies shots before ..not again if i can help it and if they brush asgainst you ..it's shots city for a month ! When i was a kid unc and chums got rattlers sunday morn ..5 bucks a head (state bounty) rattle was proof . Timber rattlers, ..they were shot in head for snake oil -only the head, shot thru body ruined the batch they were boiled i think for arthritis meds ..snake oil . Family up split rock supposedly the youngest kid got a .410 (probably 6's those days) and had to take head shots or else no supper . Do not try this at home you may get a rash or worse ! I have ithaca skb 20 ga split stock woes .

April 10, 2011, 12:02 PM	#20
george_etta Junior Member Join Date: August 17, 2010 Posts: 5	..