Wax lube question

BJung · December 9, 2020, 12:13 PM

I found a Youtube thread by Fortune Cookie 45 last night and he uses toilet wax sealers on his cast bullets. Has anyone tried this and is there excess smoke?

dahermit · December 9, 2020, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by burbank_jung

I found a Youtube thread by Fortune Cookie 45 last night and he uses toilet wax sealers on his cast bullets. Has anyone tried this and is there excess smoke?

At one time toilet ring seals were made of mostly beeswax, nowadays I don't know. Years ago the beeswax rings were frequently used as a bullet lube component to which graphite, and other things were added to make homemade bullet lubes.

Any beeswax, grease based lubes are known for their smokiness and dirtiness (Black sludge in the gun). The old NRA 50/50 formula was a popular beeswax and Alox grease based lube that was pretty much the default standard some years ago. I used a lot of it until I switched over to Powder Coating my cast bullets.

When it comes to bullet lubes and cast bullets, these guys are the experts: http://castboolits.gunloads.com/

BJung · December 9, 2020, 03:13 PM

Good to know. I hate smoke btw. If I liked it I'd take up Black Powder Shooting. Yes, the PC is awesome. I avoided casting before because the hassle lubing cast bullets.

Thanks, I know of the other forum, signed up, but could never be able to log in. I'll figure it out later. There is a lot of material to read and keep my busy.

USSR · December 9, 2020, 04:17 PM

I use this company's BAC lube with excellent results: https://www.lsstuff.com/.

Don

Targa · December 10, 2020, 11:45 PM

I use Carnuba Blue from the company that Don linked to, it works very well.

HiBC · December 11, 2020, 05:40 PM

There is another thread going that discusses toilet bowl rings.(by Truthteller)
Apparently they WERE made of beeswax,but not so much anymore. Now they may be petro by product. Petroleum is generally avoided because it can turn to asphalt in your bore.
I've seen bulk beeswax.lanolin,etc on e-bay.

Loading smokeless and bullet lube is different than loading black powder cartridge. BPCR the lube has the additional function of keeping the fouling soft and moist. Hard.dry fouling ruins accuracy for lead bullet/ BPCR

Truthteller's post asked about BP use.

reloader28 · December 11, 2020, 07:20 PM

I always keep 2 or 3 toilet rings on hand because I'm 40 miles from the nearest town and they are very soft..
Black powder always uses an animal or natural based lube.
My beeswax is very hard so I personally cant see a toilet ring made from 100% that.

My lube mixture is 50% beeswax and 50% alox350(which I heard is no longer available) then 10-11% parafin wax to make it a little harder. I use this in ALL my cast boolits from .380 to 30-06 with great results.

BJung · December 12, 2020, 11:02 PM

HiBC - I was referring to the smoke that's a result of shooting lead bullets that are lubed. I don't care for excess smoke. Currently I powder coat.

HiBC · December 13, 2020, 07:21 AM

All good! Some lube smokes more than others. I generally shoot outside.
And in a breeze

December 9, 2020, 12:13 PM	#1
BJung Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2019 Posts: 773	Wax lube question I found a Youtube thread by Fortune Cookie 45 last night and he uses toilet wax sealers on his cast bullets. Has anyone tried this and is there excess smoke?

December 9, 2020, 04:17 PM	#4
USSR Senior Member Join Date: November 14, 2017 Location: Finger Lakes Region of NY Posts: 1,442	I use this company's BAC lube with excellent results: https://www.lsstuff.com/. Don __________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Metallic Cartridge Reloading Instructor

December 11, 2020, 05:40 PM	#6
HiBC Senior Member Join Date: November 13, 2006 Posts: 8,289	There is another thread going that discusses toilet bowl rings.(by Truthteller) Apparently they WERE made of beeswax,but not so much anymore. Now they may be petro by product. Petroleum is generally avoided because it can turn to asphalt in your bore. I've seen bulk beeswax.lanolin,etc on e-bay. Loading smokeless and bullet lube is different than loading black powder cartridge. BPCR the lube has the additional function of keeping the fouling soft and moist. Hard.dry fouling ruins accuracy for lead bullet/ BPCR Truthteller's post asked about BP use. Last edited by HiBC; December 11, 2020 at 05:58 PM.

December 9, 2020, 03:13 PM	#3
BJung Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2019 Posts: 773	Good to know. I hate smoke btw. If I liked it I'd take up Black Powder Shooting. Yes, the PC is awesome. I avoided casting before because the hassle lubing cast bullets. Thanks, I know of the other forum, signed up, but could never be able to log in. I'll figure it out later. There is a lot of material to read and keep my busy.

December 10, 2020, 11:45 PM	#5
Targa Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2014 Posts: 2,084	I use Carnuba Blue from the company that Don linked to, it works very well.

December 11, 2020, 07:20 PM	#7
reloader28 Senior Member Join Date: October 13, 2009 Location: nw wyoming Posts: 1,061	I always keep 2 or 3 toilet rings on hand because I'm 40 miles from the nearest town and they are very soft.. Black powder always uses an animal or natural based lube. My beeswax is very hard so I personally cant see a toilet ring made from 100% that. My lube mixture is 50% beeswax and 50% alox350(which I heard is no longer available) then 10-11% parafin wax to make it a little harder. I use this in ALL my cast boolits from .380 to 30-06 with great results.

December 12, 2020, 11:02 PM	#8
BJung Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2019 Posts: 773	HiBC - I was referring to the smoke that's a result of shooting lead bullets that are lubed. I don't care for excess smoke. Currently I powder coat.

December 13, 2020, 07:21 AM	#9
HiBC Senior Member Join Date: November 13, 2006 Posts: 8,289	All good! Some lube smokes more than others. I generally shoot outside. And in a breeze