Victory Magazine Safety

10-96 · June 1, 2018, 04:57 PM

I just picked up my Victory 22 Target Model and started scouring the innerwebs. I noticed an item from Tandemkross that allows the owner to remove the magazine safety bar and put a non-functioning blank bar in it's place that will still allow for assisted magazine ejection. Now, I know Bullseye shooters can be a persnickety bunch, but what exactly is the sound logic for removing something that doesn't effect the performance of the pistol? Or, is this dummy bar more for the outdoors hiking folks?

bbqncigars · June 3, 2018, 09:31 PM

I just removed my 'safety bar' and went on with my life. The replacement part is a solution in search of a problem.

Siggy-06 · June 4, 2018, 10:33 AM

Some pistols do have their triggers affected by a magazine safety. Browning Hi Powers come to mind. A S&W Victory trigger, I doubt it'd make a difference.

HighValleyRanch · June 4, 2018, 12:05 PM

According to the NRA precision pistol rule book, if you are using it for competition, the safety must be left intact and operational. (section 3 on equipment)
http://rulebooks.nra.org/documents/p...istol-book.pdf

But in all the many years that I competed in then "conventional" pistol competitions, I can't remember one time or reason that I would ever engage the safety. No firearm was to be loaded until given the command to load, and if there were any problems, then all weapons were to be made clear and all shooters stepping back from the firing line.

GarandTd · June 4, 2018, 02:56 PM

I didn't look at the link, but does that rule apply to the magazine disconnect safety or the manual safety or both?

In a defensive or duty pistol, I would not want a magazine disconnect safety, but on a target 22, I don't have a problem with it and wouldn't give it much thought.
I do understand wanting to remove it if that makes a positive change in trigger pull.

HighValleyRanch · June 4, 2018, 03:52 PM

the NRA rule books states that all original safeties must be in operatiing condition.
But also I've never seen any pre-safety checks happen expept in case of an alibi or misfire.
And of course if you shoot a record score, your pistol might be checked for compliance, but that's never happen for me!

DPris · June 4, 2018, 05:29 PM

I've got the new target Victory here.
I'm against mag disconnects (I don't consider them a "safety") in general & won't have one on a serious gun, but in this .22 I don't care.

Denis

10-96 · June 4, 2018, 11:12 PM

Bbqncigars said

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The replacement part is a solution in search of a problem.

Maybe not entirely, the Tandemkross page says their bar adds more vigor or oomphiness in the ejection of the magazine. I don't know how or if removing the factory part plays a part in the spring assisted ejection of the magazine.

GarandTD said

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In a defensive or duty pistol, I would not want a magazine disconnect safety

Odd thing there, my agency requires all handguns have a magazine safety disconnect. Kinda makes sense for entering psych wards I guess.

I'm going to play with mine for a while before I decide whether or not to change mine out. Still seems odd that somebody thought the world needed such a feature.

Bart Noir · June 8, 2018, 06:37 PM

"oomphiness"

I just learned a new word. It might take me a while to find a place to use it, but use it I shall.

Thank you.

Bart Noir
Who wonders if it is spelled "oomphyness"

10-96 · June 9, 2018, 05:11 PM

Lol, glad I could help. It's really not all that hard to work in fine words such as gaposis, floposis, and oomphiness when discussing firearm workings.

June 1, 2018, 04:57 PM	#1
10-96 Senior Member Join Date: October 19, 2005 Location: Tx Panhandle Territory Posts: 4,160	Victory Magazine Safety I just picked up my Victory 22 Target Model and started scouring the innerwebs. I noticed an item from Tandemkross that allows the owner to remove the magazine safety bar and put a non-functioning blank bar in it's place that will still allow for assisted magazine ejection. Now, I know Bullseye shooters can be a persnickety bunch, but what exactly is the sound logic for removing something that doesn't effect the performance of the pistol? Or, is this dummy bar more for the outdoors hiking folks? __________________ Rednecks... Keeping the woods critter-free since March 2, 1836. (TX Independence Day) I suspect a thing or two... because I've seen a thing or two.

June 3, 2018, 09:31 PM	#2
bbqncigars Senior Member Join Date: February 1, 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 525	I just removed my 'safety bar' and went on with my life. The replacement part is a solution in search of a problem. __________________ "Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." A. Brilliant

June 4, 2018, 10:33 AM	#3
Siggy-06 Senior Member Join Date: September 2, 2014 Location: Florida Posts: 1,148	Some pistols do have their triggers affected by a magazine safety. Browning Hi Powers come to mind. A S&W Victory trigger, I doubt it'd make a difference. __________________ Flicks just like a lighter, just a different kind of fire.

June 4, 2018, 12:05 PM	#4
HighValleyRanch Senior Member Join Date: July 15, 2005 Posts: 4,066	According to the NRA precision pistol rule book, if you are using it for competition, the safety must be left intact and operational. (section 3 on equipment) http://rulebooks.nra.org/documents/p...istol-book.pdf But in all the many years that I competed in then "conventional" pistol competitions, I can't remember one time or reason that I would ever engage the safety. No firearm was to be loaded until given the command to load, and if there were any problems, then all weapons were to be made clear and all shooters stepping back from the firing line. __________________ From the sweet grass to the slaughter house; From birth until death; We travel between these two eternities........from 'Broken Trail"

June 4, 2018, 02:56 PM	#5
GarandTd Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2016 Location: Rural PA Posts: 1,639	I didn't look at the link, but does that rule apply to the magazine disconnect safety or the manual safety or both? In a defensive or duty pistol, I would not want a magazine disconnect safety, but on a target 22, I don't have a problem with it and wouldn't give it much thought. I do understand wanting to remove it if that makes a positive change in trigger pull. __________________ 22lr, 20 gauge, 8mm Mauser, 35 Remington, 30-06, 5.56x45/223, 9mm, 380acp

June 4, 2018, 03:52 PM	#6
HighValleyRanch Senior Member Join Date: July 15, 2005 Posts: 4,066	the NRA rule books states that all original safeties must be in operatiing condition. But also I've never seen any pre-safety checks happen expept in case of an alibi or misfire. And of course if you shoot a record score, your pistol might be checked for compliance, but that's never happen for me! __________________ From the sweet grass to the slaughter house; From birth until death; We travel between these two eternities........from 'Broken Trail"

June 4, 2018, 05:29 PM	#7
DPris Member Emeritus Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 7,133	I've got the new target Victory here. I'm against mag disconnects (I don't consider them a "safety") in general & won't have one on a serious gun, but in this .22 I don't care. Denis

June 8, 2018, 06:37 PM	#9
Bart Noir Senior Member Join Date: August 5, 2000 Location: Puget Sound, USA Posts: 2,215	"oomphiness" I just learned a new word. It might take me a while to find a place to use it, but use it I shall. Thank you. Bart Noir Who wonders if it is spelled "oomphyness" __________________ Be of good cheer and mindful of your gun muzzle!

June 9, 2018, 05:11 PM	#10
10-96 Senior Member Join Date: October 19, 2005 Location: Tx Panhandle Territory Posts: 4,160	Lol, glad I could help. It's really not all that hard to work in fine words such as gaposis, floposis, and oomphiness when discussing firearm workings. __________________ Rednecks... Keeping the woods critter-free since March 2, 1836. (TX Independence Day) I suspect a thing or two... because I've seen a thing or two.