Hmmm, which one???

kilotanker22 · January 24, 2019, 12:53 PM

So Here I am, Sitting down to order a new optic. And wouldn't you know. I am stuck between two options with similar price tags....

Both are excellent IMO, and I wouldn't be losing out either way...... I will try to start a poll in this thread and allow the masses here to choose for me. The Vortex is $100 more than the Leupold. Leupold has 2 turn zero stop turrets, but Vortex has a cool reticle....

I guess worth noting is the fact that the Leupold is 12 OZ lighter than the Vortex.

1: Leupold VX-5HD 3-15x44mm CDS-ZL2 Side Focus

2: Vortex Viper PST Gen II 5-25x50 FFP

kilotanker22 · January 24, 2019, 01:16 PM

Actually I just called my LGS. He can get me the
Leupold VX-5HD 3-15x44mm CDS-ZL2 Side Focus - Duplex Reticle for $750!! That's cheaper than I can find it anywhere online... That puts the Leupold $250 cheaper than the Vortex.

PlatinumCore16 · January 24, 2019, 04:45 PM

I just looked the other day and MidwayUSA had the PST gen 2 onsale for $800ish.
What are you looking to do with it?

std7mag · January 24, 2019, 05:08 PM

What's it going on?
What will it be used for? (The firearm, not the scope. We know what a scope is used for).

kilotanker22 · January 24, 2019, 05:19 PM

It's going on my Savage model 110 Tactical desert. 6.5 Creedmoor. Typical range fodder and Varmint stuff. Maybe shoot a few 600 yard matches if I can find one nearby.

If I really like the optic I will buy another for a rifle build I am planning. I intend to buy another TC Venture rifle or a Remington 700 ADL. And build a 28 Nosler rifle.

gw44 · January 24, 2019, 07:03 PM

Come on buy tasco and use the savings for beer !!!

kilotanker22 · January 24, 2019, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gw44

Come on buy tasco and use the savings for beer !!!

I have an old tasco world class scope sitting here..... Straight 4 power.

RC20 · January 24, 2019, 07:48 PM

The reticle is more important at that point than the price.

I was looking at a Vortex the other day, the cross hairs are way to fine for my eye.

kilotanker22 · January 24, 2019, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RC20

The reticle is more important at that point than the price.

I was looking at a Vortex the other day, the cross hairs are way to fine for my eye.

Honestly, I prefer not to have a complex reticle. I find them distracting. I prefer a duplex.

std7mag · January 26, 2019, 08:30 AM

I'd actually go a different route.
Sightron STAC 4-20X50.
About $400 on Amazon. Would save you a few rubles.
Love mine!

kilotanker22 · January 27, 2019, 12:52 AM

To be honest, between the Sightron you mentioned and the Leupold. The Leupold is an inch shorter and 4 ounces lighter. The rifle weihges 8.8 naked. This is also the reason I am leaning toward the Leupold over the vortex. I want to keep the whole setup with optic, Bipod and a loaded ten round mag less than 13 pounds if possible.

Also the 2 rotation zero lock turrets is another feature I very much like.

std7mag · January 27, 2019, 08:48 AM

Well then, i guess you answered your own question... Lol

Go forth, shoot tiny cloverleafs and be happy!!

kilotanker22 · January 27, 2019, 04:17 PM

Lol, I guess yeah. The vortex is a full 11 ounces heavier than the Leupold.

I am building a new rifle soon as well. So maybe I should just buy both

kilotanker22 · January 27, 2019, 04:20 PM

I also thought about the Bushnell Forge 4.5-27. but again I am in with an optic that weighs 2 pounds.

I have owned a few Bushnell Elites. And I am a firm believer that they have some of the best optics in their price range.

Just need something different. I have never purchased optics new above the $400 price range.

PlatinumCore16 · January 29, 2019, 10:02 AM

I'm gonna go with the Vortex for the reticle, since your designated purpose is range use. Honestly they're both going to be great scopes, so you can't go wrong either way.

kilotanker22 · January 30, 2019, 09:20 PM

I came across this today. Seems like a good deal. Whats the Verdict on the Veracity scope by Burris? Also included is a Fullfield E-1 4.5-14

https://www.opticsplanet.com/burris-...iflescope.html

Ricklin · January 31, 2019, 05:05 AM

I too am a fan of the Bushnell Elite series of scopes. Back when I bought my Elite the Elite series was made in Japan.

The cheap charlie Bushnell blister pack scopes are from China.

No comparison, the Elite series will run with the big dogs, typically at a reasonable cost.

In my opinion due to those cheap blister pack products Bushnell has rather trashed their company name.

The Elite series is very good in my opinion.

std7mag · January 31, 2019, 05:18 AM

Alas, we all know by now of the differences between the blister pack Bushnell, and the quality of the Elite series.

Maybe you should call Gunwerks and get a Revic scope. I looked at one last year at the Harrisburg Outdoor Show.
Has everything, and i mean everything but wind reading.
Cost was $4,300, and it weighs like 4 lbs when you pick it up.
Did i mention it does everything but wind reading? Lol

603Country · January 31, 2019, 09:29 AM

I bought myself a VX5 3-15 CDS with the firedot for Christmas. It is intended to replace a Vortex Viper 4-16 PST FFP, gen 1. I really have used and liked the Vortex for the last few years, but I wanted the CDS and the firedot.

So what does that mean? It means I like them both. Sometimes choices are tough.

There is one thing worthy of mention. If the OP hunts many places at different altitudes and temperature extremes, I’d go with the Vortex and the turrets. Pretty easy to redo your shooting dope with a good ballistics app and no money spent. With the CDS, if the altitude and atmosphere diffs are big, and the shots are long, he may need a new CDS cap for $65.

kilotanker22 · January 31, 2019, 10:25 AM

Need new turrets? No. Just replace the custom one with the original on set to zero. And just adjust the turret for elevation and windage. If you know how many minutes to adjust it won't be an issue

T. O'Heir · February 1, 2019, 02:49 PM

For what purpose? For what chambering? 15X or 25x is a lot of magnification(too much really) if your hunting deer with a .308. Not so much for very long range target shooting or varmint hunting with a .243.
Most shooters put a variable on one magnification and leave it there. There really isn't enough time to fiddle with magnification when hunting other beasts.

kilotanker22 · February 1, 2019, 03:15 PM

The rifle is a Savage Model 110 Tactical desert in 6.5 Creedmoor.

This is primarily a range gun. Some Varmint hunting. And occasionally a deer if the opportunity arises. Although it will not be a dedicated hunting rifle.

I will leave this pole open for the extent of it's time. Even though I did buy a less expensive Vortex today so I can begin load development. (Won't have the funds for the more expensive scope for a couple more weeks.)

std7mag · February 1, 2019, 03:23 PM

T.O.
You've already responded to several of Kilo's posts regarding 270 WSM, 28 Nosler, and 6.5 CM.
Why would you assume it's a 308 or 243?

I do usually set my magnification on 4 power,(4-12X42) just incase of a closer in shot. If the shot is further away, game usually isn't spooked as much, you can take more time and zoom to 12 power.

I do the same with my 4-20X50 Sightron STAC. You can just see the hairs in the fur a little better.
Also allows me to see mirage, for doping any wind.

Kilo and i posting at the same time.

Kilo, can't go much wrong with a Crossfire II.

kilotanker22 · February 1, 2019, 04:08 PM

Yeah I bought a Crossfire 2 6-18 power today. Mostly to start load development with. Depending on how I like this scope I may not buy the more expensive scope. Then use the money I would save for another rifle.

sako2 · February 1, 2019, 05:12 PM

Kilotanker I have a veracity. Nice scope. You might want to take a look at the Athlon scopes.

View Poll Results: Which Scope.
Vortex Viper PST Gen II 5-25x50 FFP Riflescope with EBR-2C MOA	5	41.67%
Leupold VX-5HD 3-15x44mm CDS-ZL2 Side Focus - Duplex Reticle	7	58.33%
Voters: 12. You may not vote on this poll

January 24, 2019, 12:53 PM	#1
kilotanker22 Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Location: North Central, PA Posts: 2,117	Hmmm, which one??? So Here I am, Sitting down to order a new optic. And wouldn't you know. I am stuck between two options with similar price tags.... Both are excellent IMO, and I wouldn't be losing out either way...... I will try to start a poll in this thread and allow the masses here to choose for me. The Vortex is $100 more than the Leupold. Leupold has 2 turn zero stop turrets, but Vortex has a cool reticle.... I guess worth noting is the fact that the Leupold is 12 OZ lighter than the Vortex. 1: Leupold VX-5HD 3-15x44mm CDS-ZL2 Side Focus 2: Vortex Viper PST Gen II 5-25x50 FFP Last edited by kilotanker22; January 24, 2019 at 01:01 PM.

January 24, 2019, 05:08 PM	#4
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,609	What's it going on? What will it be used for? (The firearm, not the scope. We know what a scope is used for). __________________ When our own government declares itself as "tyrannical", where does that leave us??!! "Januarary 6th insurrection". Funny, I didn't see a single piece of rope...

January 24, 2019, 07:48 PM	#8
RC20 Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 7,014	The reticle is more important at that point than the price. I was looking at a Vortex the other day, the cross hairs are way to fine for my eye. __________________ Science and Facts are True whether you believe it or not

January 26, 2019, 08:30 AM	#10
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,609	I'd actually go a different route. Sightron STAC 4-20X50. About $400 on Amazon. Would save you a few rubles. Love mine! __________________ When our own government declares itself as "tyrannical", where does that leave us??!! "Januarary 6th insurrection". Funny, I didn't see a single piece of rope...

January 24, 2019, 01:16 PM	#2
kilotanker22 Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Location: North Central, PA Posts: 2,117	Actually I just called my LGS. He can get me the Leupold VX-5HD 3-15x44mm CDS-ZL2 Side Focus - Duplex Reticle for $750!! That's cheaper than I can find it anywhere online... That puts the Leupold $250 cheaper than the Vortex.

January 24, 2019, 04:45 PM	#3
PlatinumCore16 Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2017 Location: Colorado Posts: 424	I just looked the other day and MidwayUSA had the PST gen 2 onsale for $800ish. What are you looking to do with it?

January 24, 2019, 05:19 PM	#5
kilotanker22 Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Location: North Central, PA Posts: 2,117	It's going on my Savage model 110 Tactical desert. 6.5 Creedmoor. Typical range fodder and Varmint stuff. Maybe shoot a few 600 yard matches if I can find one nearby. If I really like the optic I will buy another for a rifle build I am planning. I intend to buy another TC Venture rifle or a Remington 700 ADL. And build a 28 Nosler rifle.

January 24, 2019, 07:03 PM	#6
gw44 Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2015 Location: Michigan Posts: 311	Come on buy tasco and use the savings for beer !!!

January 27, 2019, 12:52 AM	#11
kilotanker22 Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Location: North Central, PA Posts: 2,117	To be honest, between the Sightron you mentioned and the Leupold. The Leupold is an inch shorter and 4 ounces lighter. The rifle weihges 8.8 naked. This is also the reason I am leaning toward the Leupold over the vortex. I want to keep the whole setup with optic, Bipod and a loaded ten round mag less than 13 pounds if possible. Also the 2 rotation zero lock turrets is another feature I very much like.

January 27, 2019, 08:48 AM	#12
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,609	Well then, i guess you answered your own question... Lol Go forth, shoot tiny cloverleafs and be happy!! __________________ When our own government declares itself as "tyrannical", where does that leave us??!! "Januarary 6th insurrection". Funny, I didn't see a single piece of rope...

January 27, 2019, 04:17 PM	#13
kilotanker22 Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Location: North Central, PA Posts: 2,117	Lol, I guess yeah. The vortex is a full 11 ounces heavier than the Leupold. I am building a new rifle soon as well. So maybe I should just buy both

January 27, 2019, 04:20 PM	#14
kilotanker22 Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Location: North Central, PA Posts: 2,117	I also thought about the Bushnell Forge 4.5-27. but again I am in with an optic that weighs 2 pounds. I have owned a few Bushnell Elites. And I am a firm believer that they have some of the best optics in their price range. Just need something different. I have never purchased optics new above the $400 price range.

January 29, 2019, 10:02 AM	#15
PlatinumCore16 Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2017 Location: Colorado Posts: 424	I'm gonna go with the Vortex for the reticle, since your designated purpose is range use. Honestly they're both going to be great scopes, so you can't go wrong either way.

January 30, 2019, 09:20 PM	#16
kilotanker22 Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Location: North Central, PA Posts: 2,117	I came across this today. Seems like a good deal. Whats the Verdict on the Veracity scope by Burris? Also included is a Fullfield E-1 4.5-14 https://www.opticsplanet.com/burris-...iflescope.html

January 31, 2019, 05:05 AM	#17
Ricklin Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2008 Location: SW Washington state Posts: 2,018	Bushnell I too am a fan of the Bushnell Elite series of scopes. Back when I bought my Elite the Elite series was made in Japan. The cheap charlie Bushnell blister pack scopes are from China. No comparison, the Elite series will run with the big dogs, typically at a reasonable cost. In my opinion due to those cheap blister pack products Bushnell has rather trashed their company name. The Elite series is very good in my opinion. __________________ ricklin Freedom is not free

January 31, 2019, 05:18 AM	#18
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,609	Alas, we all know by now of the differences between the blister pack Bushnell, and the quality of the Elite series. Maybe you should call Gunwerks and get a Revic scope. I looked at one last year at the Harrisburg Outdoor Show. Has everything, and i mean everything but wind reading. Cost was $4,300, and it weighs like 4 lbs when you pick it up. Did i mention it does everything but wind reading? Lol __________________ When our own government declares itself as "tyrannical", where does that leave us??!! "Januarary 6th insurrection". Funny, I didn't see a single piece of rope...

January 31, 2019, 09:29 AM	#19
603Country Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2011 Location: Thornton, Texas Posts: 3,998	I bought myself a VX5 3-15 CDS with the firedot for Christmas. It is intended to replace a Vortex Viper 4-16 PST FFP, gen 1. I really have used and liked the Vortex for the last few years, but I wanted the CDS and the firedot. So what does that mean? It means I like them both. Sometimes choices are tough. There is one thing worthy of mention. If the OP hunts many places at different altitudes and temperature extremes, I’d go with the Vortex and the turrets. Pretty easy to redo your shooting dope with a good ballistics app and no money spent. With the CDS, if the altitude and atmosphere diffs are big, and the shots are long, he may need a new CDS cap for $65.

January 31, 2019, 10:25 AM	#20
kilotanker22 Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Location: North Central, PA Posts: 2,117	Need new turrets? No. Just replace the custom one with the original on set to zero. And just adjust the turret for elevation and windage. If you know how many minutes to adjust it won't be an issue

February 1, 2019, 02:49 PM	#21
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	For what purpose? For what chambering? 15X or 25x is a lot of magnification(too much really) if your hunting deer with a .308. Not so much for very long range target shooting or varmint hunting with a .243. Most shooters put a variable on one magnification and leave it there. There really isn't enough time to fiddle with magnification when hunting other beasts. __________________ Spelling and grammar count!

February 1, 2019, 03:15 PM	#22
kilotanker22 Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Location: North Central, PA Posts: 2,117	The rifle is a Savage Model 110 Tactical desert in 6.5 Creedmoor. This is primarily a range gun. Some Varmint hunting. And occasionally a deer if the opportunity arises. Although it will not be a dedicated hunting rifle. I will leave this pole open for the extent of it's time. Even though I did buy a less expensive Vortex today so I can begin load development. (Won't have the funds for the more expensive scope for a couple more weeks.)

February 1, 2019, 03:23 PM	#23
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,609	T.O. You've already responded to several of Kilo's posts regarding 270 WSM, 28 Nosler, and 6.5 CM. Why would you assume it's a 308 or 243? I do usually set my magnification on 4 power,(4-12X42) just incase of a closer in shot. If the shot is further away, game usually isn't spooked as much, you can take more time and zoom to 12 power. I do the same with my 4-20X50 Sightron STAC. You can just see the hairs in the fur a little better. Also allows me to see mirage, for doping any wind. Kilo and i posting at the same time. Kilo, can't go much wrong with a Crossfire II. __________________ When our own government declares itself as "tyrannical", where does that leave us??!! "Januarary 6th insurrection". Funny, I didn't see a single piece of rope...

February 1, 2019, 04:08 PM	#24
kilotanker22 Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Location: North Central, PA Posts: 2,117	Yeah I bought a Crossfire 2 6-18 power today. Mostly to start load development with. Depending on how I like this scope I may not buy the more expensive scope. Then use the money I would save for another rifle.

February 1, 2019, 05:12 PM	#25
sako2 Senior Member Join Date: April 12, 2009 Posts: 741	Kilotanker I have a veracity. Nice scope. You might want to take a look at the Athlon scopes.