General Question about Red Flag Laws - Page 3

HiBC · March 23, 2019, 11:08 AM

Aguila,I suggest the question how many laws are already on the books to address preventing these shootings?

Are these laws flawed? Ineffective? Or is the issue execution? Unmotivated,or incompetent,or CYA or a contrary philosophy?

There are so many laws no one can know what is lawful.

If the only tool you have is a hammer,everything looks like a nail.

Make more punishable and raise taxes. The fix for everything.

It was back in the 80's ? maybe...I read J Edwards Deming's book "Out of the Crisis" It was about Quality,and transforming industry and manufacturing.

I think a key was something like a "Shewart" cycle? Like you first study,gather data,identify a root cause,make a change then MEASURE THE RESULTS.

How about we make it so if a law does not deliver the results t goes away>

Our system of laws is a hoarder house. So much worthless clutter we have no freedom to move.

The Rahm Emmanuel plan to exploit crisis is similar to the chaos Deming described as coming from "tampering" with the process.Like the folks who use a thermostat for an ON/OFF switch.Feel a chill?Crank it to 85. To warm? turn it down to 65.

Crisis and emotion make for very bad law.

davidsog · March 24, 2019, 04:42 PM

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Not advocating any position but not only are there pro 2nd amendment judges but there are actual pro 2A Democrats and a HUGE amount in that nebulous 'middle'.

Are you really trying to say New Jersey and New York are "in the Middle" when it comes to gun laws?

Of course there are good people who exhibit common sense in every state. They are losing badly in New Jersey.

http://delawarevalleynews.com/2018/1...nto-criminals/

USNRet93 · March 26, 2019, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by davidsog

Are you really trying to say New Jersey and New York are "in the Middle" when it comes to gun laws?

Of course there are good people who exhibit common sense in every state. They are losing badly in New Jersey.

http://delawarevalleynews.com/2018/1...nto-criminals/

Nope...not at all. Saying that there are people who respect the 2A, but still hold 'moderate' political views...and the 'RKBA message' isn't resonating with them in a lot of cases..

AND saying there are Dems who even own guns and embrace the 2A..

Glenn E. Meyer · March 26, 2019, 01:41 PM

We are wandering off topic of the Red flag laws. How you got into college or wealth in general - don't care. Such deleted.

JN01 · March 26, 2019, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by USNRet93

Nope...not at all. Saying that there are people who respect the 2A, but still hold 'moderate' political views...and the 'RKBA message' isn't resonating with them in a lot of cases..

If the RKBA message isn't resonating with them, then they probably don't really respect the Second Amendment aside from vague platitudes about hunting or target shooting.

davidsog · March 26, 2019, 03:59 PM

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How you got into college or wealth in general - don't care.

Is that meant to be a dig at me? My degree is in Aeronautical Engineering...

IIRC from my college days, those that could not pass engineering and hard sciences went to business, history, and law school.

Glenn E. Meyer · March 26, 2019, 05:05 PM

Off the rails and now bickering
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March 23, 2019, 11:08 AM	#51
HiBC Senior Member Join Date: November 13, 2006 Posts: 8,288	Aguila,I suggest the question how many laws are already on the books to address preventing these shootings? Are these laws flawed? Ineffective? Or is the issue execution? Unmotivated,or incompetent,or CYA or a contrary philosophy? There are so many laws no one can know what is lawful. If the only tool you have is a hammer,everything looks like a nail. Make more punishable and raise taxes. The fix for everything. It was back in the 80's ? maybe...I read J Edwards Deming's book "Out of the Crisis" It was about Quality,and transforming industry and manufacturing. I think a key was something like a "Shewart" cycle? Like you first study,gather data,identify a root cause,make a change then MEASURE THE RESULTS. How about we make it so if a law does not deliver the results t goes away> Our system of laws is a hoarder house. So much worthless clutter we have no freedom to move. The Rahm Emmanuel plan to exploit crisis is similar to the chaos Deming described as coming from "tampering" with the process.Like the folks who use a thermostat for an ON/OFF switch.Feel a chill?Crank it to 85. To warm? turn it down to 65. Crisis and emotion make for very bad law. Last edited by HiBC; March 23, 2019 at 11:15 AM.

March 26, 2019, 01:41 PM	#54
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	We are wandering off topic of the Red flag laws. How you got into college or wealth in general - don't care. Such deleted. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

March 26, 2019, 05:05 PM	#57
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	Off the rails and now bickering Closed __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens