Biting Still Usefull?

CWL · December 5, 2002, 07:20 PM

Y'all,

I was trained to include biting as part of my combatives package. Nose, ears, eyes, face, fingers, throat & other parts of the body make themselves available when in a tumble.

Nowadays, with the advent of AIDs and other nasty contagions that a BG may very likely carry, is it still a useful part of overall defense?

Greybeard · December 6, 2002, 12:10 AM

Oh yea. Die another day. There are no rules.

yorec · December 6, 2002, 01:17 AM

A situation where biting may become neccessary is gotta be pretty bad. All other self defense options have been taken away from ya and its defend or loose it all; if its time to bite.

If its all ya got left, are you going to stop just because there is a CHANCE you might catch something? If its to that point already, stopping to consider the odds adds to the CHANCE you will die before you have time to worry about some virus or whether the guy simply tasted bad. Minimize the risk and bite away.

Life or death. I'll choose life everytime, if offered...

And chew lots of garlic - for the vampires.

Blackhawk · December 6, 2002, 01:21 AM

Biting converts somebody fighting you to somebody who's mad as can be, adrenaline charged, and absolutely determined to kill you like some attacking vermin. Been bit once, and it will NOT stop your opponent.

It also takes your best sensors, your eyes, out of the fight for the most part.

OTOH, if that's the only weapon you've got left with no way to escape, what's your choice?

LiveWire · December 6, 2002, 10:45 AM

Hey, man! I just had a root canal!

C.R.Sam · December 6, 2002, 11:00 AM

Use the best tool at hand at the moment.
If that be biting, so be it.
Object is to outlive the other person.

Sam

Litlman · December 6, 2002, 11:33 AM

Last resort, add a little salt , pepper and don't forget the garlic powder, then , take a bite! Do what you got to do!

Litlman.................

Mute · December 6, 2002, 11:43 AM

Anything that helps you achieve your ultimate goal (win the fight) is good in my book. No, biting will not stop your attacker, but it might help you break out of that choke hold. True with all the various social diseases, blood contamination is a concern, but only to someone who isn't dead.

woodland · December 6, 2002, 01:49 PM

What was that movie? I think it was The Bone Collector. The BG comes to kill the cop who is paralised (sp?) . Worked for him! All comes down to you do what you gotta do.

pbarrick · December 6, 2002, 02:07 PM

I think biting is still a useful tactic. Especially when it's used as Paul Vunak teaches it, as a means to create a gap between you and the opponent. Kina Mutai has it's place--although Paul Vunak gnawing on a raw roast is a sight that most people find disturbing on video.

krept · December 6, 2002, 03:36 PM

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although Paul Vunak gnawing on a raw roast is a sight that most people find disturbing on video.

HAHAHA sounds worth the price of the vid just to see that.

Biting on the back, thigh, bicep, things like that might not be very effective, especially if someone has the adrenaline dump going.

If you get an ear, nose, finger, cheek, lip ("rip their lips off!"), etc. then I think it would be quite effective. Especially in conjunction with an eyegouge for example. Maybe to set up a sub or reversal against a resisting opponent? How about if opponent tries to eyegouge and his fingers slip around near your mouth? Finger sausage time!

Like Sam said, use the right tool at the right moment. Never heard of someone leading in with a bite like a dog, but if all goes wrong and you find yourself in super CQB, just another weapon at your disposal.

Gotta love practicing your technique on a roast...

.

pax · December 7, 2002, 02:08 AM

I think it still has its place.

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/sh/n...23-150559.html

DNA evidence, anyone?

pax

sm · December 8, 2002, 05:50 PM

Yep
Survival is the goal
whatever it takes

TEA · December 9, 2002, 03:51 PM

Don't forget when someone is straddling you with your arms pinned and is about to turn your face into a makiwara board and they're sitting to far forward (ie towards your face) to use your legs. It ain't pretty, but a judicious bite to that most sensitive of regions will back them up enough for you to bridge and then get a leg around their throat or a knee in their back. Don't really have to worry about blood to much, since jeans are pretty hard to puncture with your teeth, its more of a shock value technique to create and opening than something that is going to put them out of the fight.

krept · December 9, 2002, 04:19 PM

Would be good too if someone is going for a rear choke and you still have your chin tucked?

Anthony · December 10, 2002, 02:16 PM

This is an especially good for tactic for me.

I wear an extra large hat on this extra large head of mine and it is equipped with extra large jaws to move this big mouth of mine.

Further my jaw muscles are very strong because being very very Italian I love to eat all of the Italian food I can get my hands on and never tire of hearing my own voice! Not to mention the garlic thing.

So go ahead BG and give me that ear, nose, etc. and watch it disappear under the gleam of my full jaw of strong teeth!

- Anthony

Bahadur · December 10, 2002, 04:02 PM

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Use the best tool at hand at the moment.
If that be biting, so be it.
Object is to outlive the other person.

The objective is not to "outlive" the other person. The objective (for civilian self-defense) is to escape with as little damage as possible.

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Especially when it's used as Paul Vunak teaches it, as a means to create a gap between you and the opponent.

Exactly!

krept · December 10, 2002, 04:34 PM

I can see it now... tactical dentures

CWL · December 10, 2002, 04:52 PM

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tactical dentures

www.gangstagold.com

Coronach · December 12, 2002, 01:17 AM

Wait...they're not tactical. The teeth aren't black.

Mike

PS but supposedly, the people buying them are. Hmmm...tactical-americans?

TheSwift1 · December 12, 2002, 02:02 AM

hey...it worked for Mike Tyson...well, almost..

krept · December 12, 2002, 12:27 PM

hahaha

I bet the tactical version would be carbide tipped with a HAIII coating.

Double Naught Spy · December 12, 2002, 12:48 PM

Biting is just as useful today as it was 100 years ago, and just as problematic. There are all sorts of contagious maladies that may be passed through the blood and oral cavity or via open wound to open wound. Aids just happens to be a newer, highly publicized malady. It is just one more of many that you might have to face, but that alone should not be enough to sway your decision to bite or not.

If you are in a fight and are too the point of needing to bite, quite likely you are in very close quarters hand to hand (w or w/o other weapons) and likely have open wounds as does your opponent (scrapes, cuts, bloody lips or nose, etc. In other words, infection between combatants is not unlikely and biting may just be one more wound where that happens.

kungfool · December 17, 2002, 12:58 PM

Historically, biting has been quite an effective weapon. Not so much in battlefield situations but most definetly in regions that were sparsely populated.

Especially before the 20th century, (even still these days witha lot of my friends) the human mouth was/is filled with germs and bacteria tha can inflict an infection on the bitten person if not treated promptly and properly.

It was not at all unheard of for someone to be bitten on their back, or on the rear of their shoulders, not be able to get to help or cleanse the wound, get infected from all those germs in that filthy mouth that bit them and DIE!

Before mankind knew a lot about germs and antiseptics, bites from humans were taken seriously indeed.

T-Rex · December 20, 2002, 02:35 PM

If somebody bit me on the arm or something, I think I'd just be really P O'ed. If they actually bit OFF a chunk, I think I'd be a lot more likely to go into shock. If that chunk was an appendage or on my face, I'm not sure how I'd react. Adrenaline counteracts a lot, but just how much........?

December 5, 2002, 07:20 PM	#1
CWL Senior Member Join Date: May 23, 2001 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 1,576	Biting Still Usefull? Y'all, I was trained to include biting as part of my combatives package. Nose, ears, eyes, face, fingers, throat & other parts of the body make themselves available when in a tumble. Nowadays, with the advent of AIDs and other nasty contagions that a BG may very likely carry, is it still a useful part of overall defense? __________________ Vae Victis

December 6, 2002, 12:10 AM	#2
Greybeard Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2002 Location: Denton County Texas Posts: 686	Oh yea. Die another day. There are no rules. __________________ www.dentoncountysports.com A Private Palace for Pistol Proficiency

December 6, 2002, 01:17 AM	#3
yorec Senior Member Join Date: February 2, 2000 Location: Wyoming Posts: 2,328	A situation where biting may become neccessary is gotta be pretty bad. All other self defense options have been taken away from ya and its defend or loose it all; if its time to bite. If its all ya got left, are you going to stop just because there is a CHANCE you might catch something? If its to that point already, stopping to consider the odds adds to the CHANCE you will die before you have time to worry about some virus or whether the guy simply tasted bad. Minimize the risk and bite away. Life or death. I'll choose life everytime, if offered... And chew lots of garlic - for the vampires. __________________ What part of "... shall not be infringed..." don't you understand?

December 6, 2002, 01:49 PM	#9
woodland Senior Member Join Date: December 26, 2001 Location: western wa. Posts: 564	What was that movie? I think it was The Bone Collector. The BG comes to kill the cop who is paralised (sp?) . Worked for him! All comes down to you do what you gotta do. __________________ "There is no spoon..."

December 6, 2002, 02:07 PM	#10
pbarrick Member Join Date: September 19, 2002 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 72	I think biting is still a useful tactic. Especially when it's used as Paul Vunak teaches it, as a means to create a gap between you and the opponent. Kina Mutai has it's place--although Paul Vunak gnawing on a raw roast is a sight that most people find disturbing on video. __________________ Paul Barrick Instructor, OPS HQ Options for Personal Security Cutting Edge Training Across the U.S.A. http://www.optionsforpersonalsecurity.com Toll Free 1.877.636.4677

December 6, 2002, 01:21 AM	#4
Blackhawk Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 2001 Posts: 5,040	Biting converts somebody fighting you to somebody who's mad as can be, adrenaline charged, and absolutely determined to kill you like some attacking vermin. Been bit once, and it will NOT stop your opponent. It also takes your best sensors, your eyes, out of the fight for the most part. OTOH, if that's the only weapon you've got left with no way to escape, what's your choice?

December 6, 2002, 10:45 AM	#5
LiveWire Senior Member Join Date: September 30, 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 281	Hey, man! I just had a root canal!

December 6, 2002, 11:00 AM	#6
C.R.Sam Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1999 Location: Dewey, AZ Posts: 12,858	Use the best tool at hand at the moment. If that be biting, so be it. Object is to outlive the other person. Sam

December 6, 2002, 11:33 AM	#7
Litlman Senior Member Join Date: February 21, 2002 Location: Pa. Posts: 144	Last resort, add a little salt , pepper and don't forget the garlic powder, then , take a bite! Do what you got to do! Litlman.................

December 6, 2002, 11:43 AM	#8
Mute Senior Member Join Date: October 22, 1998 Location: Diamond Bar, CA Posts: 852	Anything that helps you achieve your ultimate goal (win the fight) is good in my book. No, biting will not stop your attacker, but it might help you break out of that choke hold. True with all the various social diseases, blood contamination is a concern, but only to someone who isn't dead.

December 7, 2002, 02:08 AM	#12
pax Senior Member Join Date: May 16, 2000 Location: In a state of flux Posts: 7,520	I think it still has its place. http://www.thebostonchannel.com/sh/n...23-150559.html DNA evidence, anyone? pax __________________ Kathy Jackson My personal website: Cornered Cat

December 8, 2002, 05:50 PM	#13
sm Senior Member Join Date: February 5, 2002 Posts: 1,819	Biting Still Useful? Yep Survival is the goal whatever it takes __________________ Use Enough Gun TFL Alumni

December 9, 2002, 03:51 PM	#14
TEA Member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 44	Don't forget when someone is straddling you with your arms pinned and is about to turn your face into a makiwara board and they're sitting to far forward (ie towards your face) to use your legs. It ain't pretty, but a judicious bite to that most sensitive of regions will back them up enough for you to bridge and then get a leg around their throat or a knee in their back. Don't really have to worry about blood to much, since jeans are pretty hard to puncture with your teeth, its more of a shock value technique to create and opening than something that is going to put them out of the fight.

December 9, 2002, 04:19 PM	#15
krept Senior Member Join Date: August 20, 2000 Location: AZ Posts: 1,363	Would be good too if someone is going for a rear choke and you still have your chin tucked? __________________ the tallest blade of grass is the first to greet the lawnmower blade

December 10, 2002, 02:16 PM	#16
Anthony Senior Member Join Date: December 29, 1998 Location: Dallas, Texas (United States) Posts: 416	This is an especially good for tactic for me. I wear an extra large hat on this extra large head of mine and it is equipped with extra large jaws to move this big mouth of mine. Further my jaw muscles are very strong because being very very Italian I love to eat all of the Italian food I can get my hands on and never tire of hearing my own voice! Not to mention the garlic thing. So go ahead BG and give me that ear, nose, etc. and watch it disappear under the gleam of my full jaw of strong teeth! - Anthony

December 10, 2002, 04:34 PM	#18
krept Senior Member Join Date: August 20, 2000 Location: AZ Posts: 1,363	I can see it now... tactical dentures __________________ the tallest blade of grass is the first to greet the lawnmower blade

December 12, 2002, 01:17 AM	#20
Coronach Senior Member Join Date: March 25, 1999 Posts: 3,147	Wait...they're not tactical. The teeth aren't black. Mike PS but supposedly, the people buying them are. Hmmm...tactical-americans? __________________ The axe bites into the door, ripping a hole in one panel. The maniac puts his face into the hole, cackling gleefully, "Here's Johnny...erk." "And here's Smith and Wesson," murmurs Coronach, Mozambiquing six rounds of .357 into the critter at a range of three feet. -Lawdog "True pacifism is the finest form of manliness. But if a man comes up to you and cuts your hand off, you don't just offer him the other one. Not if you want to go on playing the piano, you don't." -Sam Peckinpah "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." -Robert Heinlein

December 12, 2002, 02:02 AM	#21
TheSwift1 Junior Member Join Date: November 24, 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 3	hey...it worked for Mike Tyson...well, almost..

December 12, 2002, 12:27 PM	#22
krept Senior Member Join Date: August 20, 2000 Location: AZ Posts: 1,363	hahaha I bet the tactical version would be carbide tipped with a HAIII coating. __________________ the tallest blade of grass is the first to greet the lawnmower blade

December 12, 2002, 12:48 PM	#23
Double Naught Spy Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Forestburg, Montague Cnty, TX Posts: 12,717	Biting is just as useful today as it was 100 years ago, and just as problematic. There are all sorts of contagious maladies that may be passed through the blood and oral cavity or via open wound to open wound. Aids just happens to be a newer, highly publicized malady. It is just one more of many that you might have to face, but that alone should not be enough to sway your decision to bite or not. If you are in a fight and are too the point of needing to bite, quite likely you are in very close quarters hand to hand (w or w/o other weapons) and likely have open wounds as does your opponent (scrapes, cuts, bloody lips or nose, etc. In other words, infection between combatants is not unlikely and biting may just be one more wound where that happens. __________________ "If you look through your scope and see your shoe, aim higher." -- said to me by my 11 year old daughter before going out for hogs 8/13/2011 My Hunting Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/HornHillRange

December 17, 2002, 12:58 PM	#24
kungfool Member Join Date: June 8, 2002 Location: heartland Posts: 76	Historically, biting has been quite an effective weapon. Not so much in battlefield situations but most definetly in regions that were sparsely populated. Especially before the 20th century, (even still these days witha lot of my friends) the human mouth was/is filled with germs and bacteria tha can inflict an infection on the bitten person if not treated promptly and properly. It was not at all unheard of for someone to be bitten on their back, or on the rear of their shoulders, not be able to get to help or cleanse the wound, get infected from all those germs in that filthy mouth that bit them and DIE! Before mankind knew a lot about germs and antiseptics, bites from humans were taken seriously indeed.

December 20, 2002, 02:35 PM	#25
T-Rex Senior Member Join Date: June 28, 1999 Location: Fairfax VA Posts: 215	If somebody bit me on the arm or something, I think I'd just be really P O'ed. If they actually bit OFF a chunk, I think I'd be a lot more likely to go into shock. If that chunk was an appendage or on my face, I'm not sure how I'd react. Adrenaline counteracts a lot, but just how much........? __________________ And you're STILL not voting Libertatian?