Flamethrowers - Page 2

Tom2 · March 8, 2006, 05:09 PM

Whoa, then for real shock and awe, get ahold of some of those big weather balloons that Edmund Scientific may still sell, and fill that with hydrogen. Can you say Hindenburg?

Maybe get a super soaker full of gas, and set it off from 30 feet away! You could charge admission to see that at night!

DBOUNCE1 · March 8, 2006, 05:21 PM

some of you guys scare me

barnetmill · March 14, 2006, 04:11 PM

Do any armed forces in the world still use them? I thought they were banned for warfare, but I am not sure.

On the domestic front it might be difficult for the BATF to figure out how to outlaw them since there are various devices that are used in furnaces and even automobiles that inject and light fuel.

Once someone told me a story about someone putting a spark plug into an exhuast syytem of a car some years ago and getting a flame to shoot out the muffler when he floored it. Don't know if it was true.

MicroBalrog · March 14, 2006, 05:17 PM

The NFA FAQ by Bardwell has the following quote on Flamethrowers:

Quote:

Flame Thrower - not a DD, nor even a firearm. Unregulated
as to possession, under federal law. Great way to clear snow off
the driveway.

http://www.pcarms.com/Files/Pdf/FAQ_NFA.pdf

barnetmill · March 15, 2006, 11:43 AM

MicroBalrog, you quoted: "FAQ ON NATIONAL FIREARMS ACT WEAPONS
Copyright by James O. Bardwell, 1994 - 2001."
In the same PDF file in the preface is written: "Nothing written here should be taken as legal advice. If you have a specific legal problem, you should talk to a lawyer."

I would go the the BATF directly to check legality rather than someone else that wrote something with a copyright date of 1994 - 2001.

shaggy · March 15, 2006, 11:56 AM

Barnetmill - that's just a standard disclaimer; James Bardwell is a well known lawyer in NFA circles and used to write the legal column in SAR & MGN. He knows the law well and although the piece is dated, its still correct. Flamethrowers are not regulated under federal law as firearms.

Legion2600 · March 16, 2006, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Once someone told me a story about someone putting a spark plug into an exhuast syytem of a car some years ago and getting a flame to shoot out the muffler when he floored it. Don't know if it was true.

It's true. Was popular to do back in the good old days. Dunno if it would work on a modern emmision car.

CypherNinja · March 17, 2006, 12:20 AM

There are plenty of people who do it today. They just use extra-injector/sparkplug combos.

EDIT: And modified rotary engines do it just because.

urbanassault · March 17, 2006, 09:09 AM

Alot of the flamethrower setups used in cars have a relay joining the ignition for 2 plugs, one of each bank to 2 plugs, one in each exhaust pipe. You have to rev the engine up then hit a button cutting out the ignition to the plugs in the block thus creating raw/unburnt fuel to run into the exhaust then the spark that was taken from the block is routed to the plugs in the exhaust igniting the raw fuel and shooting flames out the pipes. I really want to set it up on my car, it does not (unfortunatly) have anything to do with firearms.

Russ538 · March 17, 2006, 01:31 PM

About the balloon filled with hydrogen: A balloon filled with only hydrogen will have a flame that must go out in search of oxygen to burn. It still makes quite an impressive fire ball, but if you want a HUGE explosion, fill the balloon with both hydrogen and oxygen. I think twice as much hydrogen as oxygen, but I don't quite remember the ratio.

This way, the oxygen source is located within the balloon, and believe me, you'll be able to hear the difference. It's a boom that will leave your ears ringing and set off some car alarms. It's not as big of a fire ball, because the hydrogen does not need to search for oxygen, but it's a much louder boom that puts out quite a shockwave.

1BadF350 · March 17, 2006, 05:23 PM

You guys have fun. I must admit that a got most of this stuff out of my system when I was in my early teens. I lost a few eyebrows in the process.

Flash60601 · March 23, 2006, 10:52 PM

Well, for the really big concussion, just get a six-foot piece of 8" pipe, and get out your trusty ol' oxy-acetylene torch, some newspaper and some masking tape.

Tape a cou[le layers of newspaper over each end, and punch a pencil-hole in one of the paper caps.

Light your torch, adjust for a complete combustion flame (neither oxidizing nor carburizing) and then wipe the flame out from off the end of the torch with a gloved hand.

Then, while the perfect combustion mixture is still flowing, insert the torch tip into the hole in the paper and let the gas flow for around 30-40 seconds.

Ignition of the charge is accomplished with some sort of glowing object pressed into the paper. A cigarette taped to a yard-stick works well , but be sure you stand to the side of the pipe, not in front of it.

Of course, the above is actually theoretical, Understand.

Me? Why I have never even seen it done, I've only heard the big kids talking about it.

I doubt that it would be well received in populated areas.

Flash

gunslinger555 · March 26, 2006, 06:46 PM

what about filling a glass bottle up with gasoline mixing in some laundry/dishwashing soap (to thiken it and make it stick) then puting the cap on then either
1.tie a rag around the neck douse it in lighter fluid light and throw
2.of tie magnisium matches around the bottle (not the neck) light and use the neck of the bottle to throw even farther
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov_cocktail

Third_Rail · April 29, 2006, 11:09 PM

I'll have to dig it out, but I have a letter from the BATFE stating that flamethrowing devices (commonly called "flamethrowers") are perfectly legal to own/build/sell/etc.

dfaugh · April 30, 2006, 08:01 AM

http://forums.somethingawful.com/sho...0&pagenumber=1

"Home Depot" Flame Thrower with pictures and videos

CypherNinja · April 30, 2006, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunslinger555

what about filling a glass bottle up with gasoline mixing in some laundry/dishwashing soap (to thiken it and make it stick) then puting the cap on then either
1.tie a rag around the neck douse it in lighter fluid light and throw
2.of tie magnisium matches around the bottle (not the neck) light and use the neck of the bottle to throw even farther
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov_cocktail

Molotovs count as DD's. Even says in that link.

gunslinger555 · April 30, 2006, 09:10 PM

i wasnt saying it was leagal, just giving better ways to make big man fire!

CypherNinja · May 1, 2006, 02:38 PM

pffft. Actual flamethrowers are way cooler than molotovs.

The fact that flamethrowers are legal and molotovs aren't multiplies that coolness by infinty. Automatic win for the Big Zippo.

EDIT: just to be entirely correct, molotovs aren't illegal as long as you get your tax stamps, but who the hell wants to do that?

Arizona Fusilier · May 3, 2006, 10:28 PM

My best friend has an M2 unit (just like the "flamethrower for sale" link). He demo's it out here in AZ. Very complete unit. I don't know how Charlie Hobson get's all his going, I am under the impression the parts are rare.

It's a very impressive thing to see. I normally stand behind him in nomex with a fire extinguisher, for the slim that something bad might happen and I'll be able to stop it in time (as opposed to both of us getting incinerated). We do a hydro test every time its used though. Its been pretty safe.

**44 AMP** · May 10, 2006, 04:14 PM

A neighbor of mine has a "weed burner" which is hose w/nozzle that connects to a standard propane tank. Does not have a built in igniter. Does not have a frame for the tank (tank sits on the ground). AFAIK perfectly legal (on burn days

) Wound this be considered a flame thrower? It works like one!

silicon wolverine · May 10, 2006, 04:35 PM

Sort of. Most flamethrowers have both fuel and oxidizer on board. Weed burners use ambient oxygen. Now if you used propane and oxygen both from tanks in compressed form i think that would quailify but likely as a large torch more than anyhting else.

SW

March 8, 2006, 05:09 PM	#26
Tom2 Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 5,676	Bigger Whoa, then for real shock and awe, get ahold of some of those big weather balloons that Edmund Scientific may still sell, and fill that with hydrogen. Can you say Hindenburg? Maybe get a super soaker full of gas, and set it off from 30 feet away! You could charge admission to see that at night!

March 8, 2006, 05:21 PM	#27
DBOUNCE1 Senior Member Join Date: January 31, 2006 Location: OMAHA Posts: 189	some of you guys scare me __________________ KICK THE TIRES AND LIGHT THE FIRES

March 17, 2006, 12:20 AM	#33
CypherNinja Senior Member Join Date: September 4, 2005 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 114	There are plenty of people who do it today. They just use extra-injector/sparkplug combos. EDIT: And modified rotary engines do it just because. __________________ -"Those who would sacrifice a little Liberty for more Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Benjamin Franklin -"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison "Violent videogames don't make kids violent. Hard games do."

March 17, 2006, 09:09 AM	#34
urbanassault Senior Member Join Date: January 3, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 364	Alot of the flamethrower setups used in cars have a relay joining the ignition for 2 plugs, one of each bank to 2 plugs, one in each exhaust pipe. You have to rev the engine up then hit a button cutting out the ignition to the plugs in the block thus creating raw/unburnt fuel to run into the exhaust then the spark that was taken from the block is routed to the plugs in the exhaust igniting the raw fuel and shooting flames out the pipes. I really want to set it up on my car, it does not (unfortunatly) have anything to do with firearms. __________________ Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum

March 17, 2006, 05:23 PM	#36
1BadF350 Senior Member Join Date: January 15, 2005 Location: Ashburn, VA Posts: 915	You guys have fun. I must admit that a got most of this stuff out of my system when I was in my early teens. I lost a few eyebrows in the process. __________________ "I actually don't know what a barrel shroud is, I think it's a shoulder thing that goes up." Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) Author HR:1022, when asked what a barrel shroud is and why it needs to be regulated.

March 14, 2006, 04:11 PM	#28
barnetmill Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2005 Posts: 121	Do any armed forces in the world still use them? I thought they were banned for warfare, but I am not sure. On the domestic front it might be difficult for the BATF to figure out how to outlaw them since there are various devices that are used in furnaces and even automobiles that inject and light fuel. Once someone told me a story about someone putting a spark plug into an exhuast syytem of a car some years ago and getting a flame to shoot out the muffler when he floored it. Don't know if it was true.

March 15, 2006, 11:43 AM	#30
barnetmill Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2005 Posts: 121	MicroBalrog, you quoted: "FAQ ON NATIONAL FIREARMS ACT WEAPONS Copyright by James O. Bardwell, 1994 - 2001." In the same PDF file in the preface is written: "Nothing written here should be taken as legal advice. If you have a specific legal problem, you should talk to a lawyer." I would go the the BATF directly to check legality rather than someone else that wrote something with a copyright date of 1994 - 2001.

March 15, 2006, 11:56 AM	#31
shaggy Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2004 Posts: 1,519	Barnetmill - that's just a standard disclaimer; James Bardwell is a well known lawyer in NFA circles and used to write the legal column in SAR & MGN. He knows the law well and although the piece is dated, its still correct. Flamethrowers are not regulated under federal law as firearms.

March 17, 2006, 01:31 PM	#35
Russ538 Senior Member Join Date: August 18, 2005 Location: PA Posts: 228	About the balloon filled with hydrogen: A balloon filled with only hydrogen will have a flame that must go out in search of oxygen to burn. It still makes quite an impressive fire ball, but if you want a HUGE explosion, fill the balloon with both hydrogen and oxygen. I think twice as much hydrogen as oxygen, but I don't quite remember the ratio. This way, the oxygen source is located within the balloon, and believe me, you'll be able to hear the difference. It's a boom that will leave your ears ringing and set off some car alarms. It's not as big of a fire ball, because the hydrogen does not need to search for oxygen, but it's a much louder boom that puts out quite a shockwave.

March 23, 2006, 10:52 PM	#37
Flash60601 Junior Member Join Date: March 23, 2006 Location: PA (Pure Appalachia) Posts: 2	Flamethrowers ? Well, for the really big concussion, just get a six-foot piece of 8" pipe, and get out your trusty ol' oxy-acetylene torch, some newspaper and some masking tape. Tape a cou[le layers of newspaper over each end, and punch a pencil-hole in one of the paper caps. Light your torch, adjust for a complete combustion flame (neither oxidizing nor carburizing) and then wipe the flame out from off the end of the torch with a gloved hand. Then, while the perfect combustion mixture is still flowing, insert the torch tip into the hole in the paper and let the gas flow for around 30-40 seconds. Ignition of the charge is accomplished with some sort of glowing object pressed into the paper. A cigarette taped to a yard-stick works well , but be sure you stand to the side of the pipe, not in front of it. Of course, the above is actually theoretical, Understand. Me? Why I have never even seen it done, I've only heard the big kids talking about it. I doubt that it would be well received in populated areas. Flash

March 26, 2006, 06:46 PM	#38
gunslinger555 Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2006 Location: Lima, ohio Posts: 580	molotov cocktail what about filling a glass bottle up with gasoline mixing in some laundry/dishwashing soap (to thiken it and make it stick) then puting the cap on then either 1.tie a rag around the neck douse it in lighter fluid light and throw 2.of tie magnisium matches around the bottle (not the neck) light and use the neck of the bottle to throw even farther http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov_cocktail __________________ (")_(") OMG!!! I think I shot bunny in the face!

April 29, 2006, 11:09 PM	#39
Third_Rail Senior Member Join Date: May 25, 2004 Posts: 134	I'll have to dig it out, but I have a letter from the BATFE stating that flamethrowing devices (commonly called "flamethrowers") are perfectly legal to own/build/sell/etc.

April 30, 2006, 08:01 AM	#40
dfaugh Senior Member Join Date: January 17, 2002 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 1,715	http://forums.somethingawful.com/sho...0&pagenumber=1 "Home Depot" Flame Thrower with pictures and videos __________________ "If you Listen to Fools, the Mob Rules" "No one has the answer, but one thing is true. You'e got to turn on evil, when its coming after you. You've gotta face it down,and when it tries to hide, you've got to go in after it, and never be denied. Time is running out...Let's roll. Let's roll for freedom, let's roll for love. We're going after satan, on the wings of a dove. Let's roll for freedom, let's roll for truth. Let's not let our children grow up fearful in their youth."

April 30, 2006, 09:10 PM	#42
gunslinger555 Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2006 Location: Lima, ohio Posts: 580	i wasnt saying it was leagal, just giving better ways to make big man fire! __________________ (")_(") OMG!!! I think I shot bunny in the face!

May 1, 2006, 02:38 PM	#43
CypherNinja Senior Member Join Date: September 4, 2005 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 114	pffft. Actual flamethrowers are way cooler than molotovs. The fact that flamethrowers are legal and molotovs aren't multiplies that coolness by infinty. Automatic win for the Big Zippo. EDIT: just to be entirely correct, molotovs aren't illegal as long as you get your tax stamps, but who the hell wants to do that? __________________ -"Those who would sacrifice a little Liberty for more Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Benjamin Franklin -"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison "Violent videogames don't make kids violent. Hard games do."

May 3, 2006, 10:28 PM	#44
Arizona Fusilier Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2000 Posts: 1,082	My best friend has an M2 unit (just like the "flamethrower for sale" link). He demo's it out here in AZ. Very complete unit. I don't know how Charlie Hobson get's all his going, I am under the impression the parts are rare. It's a very impressive thing to see. I normally stand behind him in nomex with a fire extinguisher, for the slim that something bad might happen and I'll be able to stop it in time (as opposed to both of us getting incinerated). We do a hydro test every time its used though. Its been pretty safe.

May 10, 2006, 04:14 PM	#45
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,859	neighbor's tool A neighbor of mine has a "weed burner" which is hose w/nozzle that connects to a standard propane tank. Does not have a built in igniter. Does not have a frame for the tank (tank sits on the ground). AFAIK perfectly legal (on burn days ) Wound this be considered a flame thrower? It works like one!

May 10, 2006, 04:35 PM	#46
silicon wolverine Senior Member Join Date: April 28, 2006 Location: South dakota Posts: 674	Sort of. Most flamethrowers have both fuel and oxidizer on board. Weed burners use ambient oxygen. Now if you used propane and oxygen both from tanks in compressed form i think that would quailify but likely as a large torch more than anyhting else. SW