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Old December 7, 2021, 11:28 AM   #26
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"Stick-outs" are far from a marketing gimmick.

This attitude is reminiscent of of the experts who predicted that revolvers would always be a mainstay of police agencies due to their superior reliability over semi-auto pistols.

A colleague of mine provides firearms contracts to numerous police and sheriffs departments in multiple states. He stated he cannot even sell pistols to law enforcement agencies any longer unless those pistols have a rail for attaching lights and a plate-cutout for red dot optics. All law enforcement contracts are stipulating that pistols must come with these features.

As goes law enforcement, so goes the general demand curve by civilians as well.

If you like your pistol clean and unadorned with anything but iron sights, have at it.

Lots of guys still like their revolvers - although no police agency or military unit that I'm aware of is still only issuing revolvers.

The simple fact is that law enforcement and military organizations are adopting "stick-outs" because they are effective and they produce tangible benefits to shooters who engage more routinely in gunfights. Knowledgeable civilians who seek those same benefits will logically, over time, demand similar armament. In fact, many of my younger associates who carry concealed - just like jmhyer in post #21 above - routinely carry the new breed of 'J-frame envelope' pistols such as the Sig P365 or its ilk equipped with red dot sights. They are very proficient shooters, and the red dot causes no particular issues at all for concealed carry. Its more about your attitude and your effort in practice than any particular accoutrements.

Just because you choose to stick with what you started with 40 years ago or longer is no reason to be dismissive and condescending towards the choices of newer professional shooters of today. It makes you sound like a geezer. ;-)
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Old December 7, 2021, 01:30 PM   #27
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It makes you sound like a geezer. ;-)
But, I AM a geezer! also a curmudgeon, and at this time of year, a bit of a grinch,.. and I worked hard my whole life to get here!

Not a cop. Never been a cop, never going to be a cop, don't do what cops do, and don't care what today's cops want on their guns. There are old cops who think today's "gadgets" are stupid. There are kids today who think the old guys were stupid. (and just fyi, "kid" in my world is anyone under 40 because MY kids are 40 )

Over all, machts nichts. Todays tech means yesterday's "stick outs" don't really stick out. Or stick out much.

Old red dot sight, you know, 1" tube optic scope mounts, a package that can double the height of a pistol? NO WAY i'd have that on a defensive carry gun. Got one on a hunting pistol, no problem. THe small low profile stuff today is neat, but I'm not going out of my way to get it. Not because its not worth having, just because my personal situation doesn't benefit enough to justify the expense.

Now, if the "stick outs" you're talking about are the extended controls, whale tale and speed bump on the grip, I don't need those, either. If they benefit you, go for it, that's why they make them.
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