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Old May 25, 2019, 06:27 AM   #26
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Here is the 15 Round Magazine Inserted into the P365.

Sig P365 15 Mag Inserted.jpg

I am not impressed at least on it's fit to a P365.
The 12 Round Magazine contours to the back of the P365 Grip, this baseplate just goes straight down.
There is not even a attempt to contour the baseplate to a P365.

I think that this Magazine was designed for the new P365XL and not really the P365.
Yes it will fit the P365 BUT it was really made for the new XL Grip.

If you notice in the packaging (shown above) there is a Flush fit Floorplate.
I suspect that you purchase this 15 round magazine and you can also convert a existing 12 round magazine to Flush Fit.

We will see..

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Old May 25, 2019, 06:46 AM   #27
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Here is the 15 Round Magazine Inserted into the P365.

Attachment 109709

I am not impressed at least on it's fit to a P365.
The 12 Round Magazine contours to the back of the P365 Grip, this baseplate just goes straight down.
There is not even a attempt to contour the baseplate to a P365.

I think that this Magazine was designed for the new P365XL and not really the P365.
Yes it will fit the P365 BUT it was really made for the new XL Grip.

If you notice in the packaging (shown above) there is a Flush fit Floorplate.
I suspect that you purchase this 15 round magazine and you can also convert a existing 12 round magazine to Flush Fit.

We will see..
http://soldiersystems.net/2019/03/04...3x48-magazine/
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Old May 25, 2019, 07:18 AM   #28
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^^^^^
WOW!
Pretty uncanny that both Glock and Sig come out with 15 round magazines!
Although Sig is coming out with a new P365 Platform and the 15 round magazine.
Glock had the platform just added the 15 Round Mag

Did they both independently come up with this or was there a SPY either at Glock or Sig that told the other..
Hey this is what they are working on next...
Corporate espionage!
Who knows but it seems pretty strange that Sig announces a new XL version and 15 round Magazine and Glock with 15's.

The story about the magazines for Glock was in March.
Sig announces the new XL and 15 Round Magazines in May.
I don't think that Sig could design and get the XL and 15 Round magazine together in 8 weeks.
To be a reaction to Glock.
So did Glock somehow get word that hey Sig is working on a new P365 XL Version and a 15 round magazine.
and Glock went to work on getting 15 round magazines?
Who knows what the inner workings are at gun manufacturers but I'm sure it's big business fer sure!

Not to mention that every Gun Manufacturer wants their next gun to be a runaway hit that the P365 has been... going towards 400,000 P365's sold.

Bottom line too is that the P365 is such a better platform that anything Glock has, (#'s alone show this) that it would take a lot more than 15 round Magazine's to stop the P365 Market dominance right now!

As my Dad would say..."The Plot Thickens!"
Who and What will be the next "Top Dog?"
Especially with the new XL Version coming I do not see a challenger yet...

Well, heading to the "Gun Show" Gonna see what's going on....

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Old May 25, 2019, 07:55 AM   #29
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Here is the 15 Round Magazine Inserted into the P365.

Attachment 109709

I am not impressed at least on it's fit to a P365.
The 12 Round Magazine contours to the back of the P365 Grip, this baseplate just goes straight down.
There is not even a attempt to contour the baseplate to a P365.

I think that this Magazine was designed for the new P365XL and not really the P365.
Yes it will fit the P365 BUT it was really made for the new XL Grip.

If you notice in the packaging (shown above) there is a Flush fit Floorplate.
I suspect that you purchase this 15 round magazine and you can also convert a existing 12 round magazine to Flush Fit.

We will see..
Dang, that's fugly. If it gets any uglier it'll be a Glock!

(Lighten up, guys )

Probably right about this being made for the XL grip primarily.
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Old May 25, 2019, 07:57 AM   #30
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If 15 round single stack becomes the new normal, I wonder who will be the first to cram 21 rounds into a G19 size magazine?

Even more things for New Jersey to ban!
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Old May 25, 2019, 08:01 AM   #31
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How tall is the pistol top to bottom with this installed?

It may have been made for the XL but that specific spacer is only going to work on the P365. They could have put in a bit more effort.

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Old May 25, 2019, 09:59 AM   #32
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No pics yet of in hand, so no way of knowing.

Since the XL isn't out, I'm assuming those Sig factory 15rnd mags just shipped yesterday are going to fit with no gap.
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Old May 25, 2019, 11:22 AM   #33
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That looks hilariously horrible. I bet it grips horribly too!
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Old May 25, 2019, 11:27 AM   #34
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So the XL with just the 12 rd mag is 4.8" tall and gained 0.5" in height over the standard by making those +2 rds fit flush. With this 15 rd mag it has to be a good bit over 5". I guess it makes sense as a backup mag, but at that height there are a number of options, albeit just slightly thicker. I guess it depends how crucial thickness is for the way a person carries. To me the P365 in it's basic form is very impressive for its size. Adding capacity to it, while I get, doesn't make it as impressive compared to the competition.

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Old May 25, 2019, 03:03 PM   #35
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So the XL with just the 12 rd mag is 4.8" tall and gained 0.5" in height over the standard by making those +2 rds fit flush.
Actually the P365 with a 12 round Magazine inserted is 4.6 " tall
So I am thinking that the XL with 12 rounds at 4.8 the .2 difference is the Flush Fit Floorplate of the magazine extending just below the XL Grip.

The 12 rounds in the magazine sit on the floorplate..no rounds go into the baseplate
For the P365 it's just a outer sleeve on the magazine to match the P365 Grip.
For the XL that Baseplate is not needed the lomger XL Grip thus the Flush Floorplate.

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Old May 25, 2019, 03:04 PM   #36
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"the extra 2mm width is in the flared portion of the mag well; the grip itself isn’t bigger and the new 15-round mags are backward compatible with other P365 pistols."


But since the FCU is modular, I bet we see thinner options. Heck, you could make the XL a regular gripped P365
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I'm seeing numbers closer to 4.8" on SigTalk and other sites. Are you measuring to the top of the slide or to the top of the sites? I think the 4.8" is to the top of the sights. I really doubt they would make a flush fit floorplate that would make the pistol taller than what is available on the standard P365.

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Old May 25, 2019, 05:46 PM   #38
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My 4.6 measurement is from the top of the Slide to the front of the 12 round magazine because the magazine slopes forward.
If I measured to the back of the magazine it is near 4.3

If Sig's measurement includes the Sight then that is the difference.

This is the measurements that you speak of:
Correcting to include sights then the P365 and P365XL are the same Height

Here are specs in order of P365 / P365XL

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Length - 5.8 / 6.6
Height - 4.8 (with 12 round magazine & adjusting for Sights) / 4.8
Width - 1.0 / 1.1
Weight - 18.0 / 20.7 (Must be mostly Slide and Barrel)
Capacity - 10-12-15? / 12-15
per Wild Cat Mccane...
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the grip itself isn’t bigger
The XL Grip is Longer and .1 Larger in Width
The grip now absorbs what was the 12 round Baseplat to now make it Flush.
From what I heard some complained that with the short grip in the palm the 12 round mag would not fall away.
By lengthening the grip to include the 12 round baseplate and make it flush the magazine will now easily fall away at least that's the idea.

I also think that Sig discovered more people carrying with the 12 round mag rather than the 10 round magazines.
If the 10 round magazines were more popular there would not be a XL Grip.
The flip side is that the XL will never be allowed in a 10 round limit State.
But Sig has a lot of guns that will not be sold in a 10 Round Limit state.

Does anyone think that Sig will end up making a 10 Round Magazine for the P365XL?
Myself I would not be surprised..why let 2 rounds cut them out of the XL experience!

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Old May 26, 2019, 07:23 AM   #39
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Bottom line too is that the P365 is such a better platform that anything Glock has, (#'s alone show this)
Might want to note that the 365 was introduced 2 YEARS ago..so 'numbers' don't really mean anything until the Glock 43X is 2 years old..

Those pesky 'voluntary' fixes too...hmmm
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This is the big “elephant in the room” part of the review. Much has been said about the reliability of the P365 in the months since its release. A number of people including some respected reviewers have indicated that the gun may not be quite ready for prime time, that it was released too early, almost like a “beta version” to be tested by the gun-buying masses.
https://www.concealedcarry.com/gear/sig-p365-review/

So, is the 365 a great gun for some? Yup..so is the Glock 43/43X..but 'such a better platform than anything Glock?"..ahh, nope.

365XL almost seems like a G19..except more $..

BTW-Glock is at about the 6.5 MILLION mark sold..so I guess Glock
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Old May 26, 2019, 09:00 AM   #40
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With night sights standard on the P365 and XL, it better cost more than the Glock options...

Flipped, why does the Glock cost so close to the P365 with night sights?
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Old May 26, 2019, 07:26 PM   #41
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Might want to note that the 365 was introduced 2 YEARS ago
The P365 was actually released January 2018.
Then Sig stopped shipping for about a month and then started Shipping again in late February.
So it has actually been less than 1.5 years!

The P65 was also Handgun of the year for 2018 Which was the P365's first year to market and last I looked it's May of 2019 so I don't know where you get 2 years.
Serial #'s are around 350,000..Probably 400,000 + in another 6 months to make 2 years!

So that's a very large hill for any gun to climb let alone a Glock!
I won't even limit it to the 43X if ANY Glock becomes Handgun of the year and sales near 350,000 in less than a year and a half...
I will bow to it's greatness!
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I will bow to it's greatness!
Geez..it's a gun, not some second coming..I handled one, in spite of the 'issues' so many had..nice gun but not for me, thanks..Is it small, 12 round and have less issues now? Yup, but many handguns out there...

Yup, off a year but 18 months nonetheless. 'Handgun of the Year'...nice, but like most 'of the Year' awards, a little bit of subjectiveness and politics there.
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Ya know, I think Glock and M&P and putnameofhandgunmakerhere will be just fine. The industry marches on. I'm sure Sig loves to hear from their fanboys, just like Glock likes to hear from their fanboys...like....me....
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Old May 27, 2019, 02:07 PM   #43
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Old May 27, 2019, 02:37 PM   #44
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I wish it wasn't a "Legion" exclusive currently. I get that they have to have something to make that program appealing, but it's odd to me to segregate your own customer base artificially. SIGs aren't cheap (not saying they're overpriced) and saying someone willing to spend a bit more is more "worthy" (my use of the word) than someone else strikes me wrong. I get that price differences always segregate buyers, but this is different to me.

I will say that it's nice that the rumors weren't vaporware and that SIG seems able to deliver on this quickly.

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Anyone know if the P365 upper fits on the P365XL lower without losing function and reliability? Frankly, I personally don't know anyone who carries their P365 without an attached twelve round magazine rather than the ten rounder.

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My guess is it's the same grip? We don't know yet.
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Old May 27, 2019, 03:37 PM   #47
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My guess is it's the same grip?
Obviously the p365 grip without the artificial extension afforded by a 12 round magazine is shorter than the p365xl. The plus side to having the p365 slide on a p365xl frame is not having to deal with a short grip when changing magazines and better grip/comfort when utilizing a 15 round magazine.

I generally prefer to carry IWB at 4 to 5 o'clock with the pistol flipped like for a lefty but above my right butt-cheek.
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Sig 365... Firing pin drag/broken firing pins/trigger spring breaks, gun broke?

That is more problems than I have ever had with my Glock 19. Which I still prefer over the Glock 43X. Just because of the G19s 15 round magazine, and able to fit the G17 magazine as a spare.

If Glock comes out with a flush fit 15 round magazine, for the 43X? I am going to my 43X in a heartbeat. It hides incredibly, flies out of the holster, and the Ameriglo sights, a treat. The factory fitted the sights, it shoots perfectly to point of aim. For me anyhow. It is a wee bit to the right, the back sight.

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Old May 28, 2019, 11:35 PM   #49
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The P365 15 Round Magazine is available.

Sig Sauer: $49.99
https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p365-...-magazine.html

Osage County Guns Pre Order: $36.99

https://www.osagecountyguns.com/sig-...-365-9-15.html

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Old June 3, 2019, 05:40 PM   #50
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One of the things I admire about Micro 9mm's is the light weight. The Sig is 10 to 12 now 15. Sorry, not interested. At some point it just defeats the original purpose. If I want to carry a large magazine, will just carry my SR9C and which is easily converted to a full size gun with the 17 round magazine. Yea, the gun weighs about 3 or 4 oz more, but a much better shooter. Each to his own.
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