Lc 77 Match

shu · February 17, 2002, 09:23 PM

... is the headstamp on some 308 brass i picked up. This is righteous heavy stuff. Anything to know about it?
- thanks

Archie · February 18, 2002, 12:39 AM

it means "Lake City (19)77".

If the primers are not crimped, it's match ammo brass. It's fuzzy in my head, but I think the match brass was marked "match".

It's GI brass, and pretty good stuff. I just hate de-crimping the primer pockets.

shu · February 18, 2002, 07:40 AM

Thanks. Have never fondled military brass and would not recognise it to look at it. However the books do warn of crimped primer pockets, and lower powder capacity due to thicker case walls. The primer pockets seemed ordinary enough but I was hesitant to start pushing in a primer where it did not want to fit.

Edward429451 · February 18, 2002, 08:31 AM

My LC match says LC Match on it.

griz · February 19, 2002, 09:56 PM

Most of the military 308 brass is heavier than commercial and therefore you have to cut back on any listed max charge. I used it for match loads where accuracy was more important than velocity so I had no problem with it.

C.R.Sam · February 19, 2002, 11:14 PM

Match shouldn't have had crimped primers in em. Meant to be reloaded.

Sam

Edward429451 · February 19, 2002, 11:44 PM

My brass, headstamped LC 90 Match, was labeled when I bought it, ".308 Military Match-Once Fired-Crimp Removed"

It also has some sort of identifiing mark near the base, looks like a very light cannelure. Not sure whos what designation it is but it sure makes it easy to spot my brass...

Cheapo · March 19, 2002, 01:33 PM

Edward:
That rear-case marking is from the ammo originally being M855 Match, loaded with the Sierra 168-gr HPBT match bullet.

That was the finest G.I. 7.62mm match made. Case identification was to allow troops to know that each cartridge was "not for combat use", as the original interpretation of the Hague conventions on small arms projectiles.

Since there is now a recognition that those don't reliably expand at all, despite being HPs, that rule has gone by the wayside. Many other threads have discussed this.

BTW, all true USGI "match" brass will have no crimp. The M118 "Special Ball" was crimped, though it was considered almost "match" by virtue of using the M72/M118 173-gr FMJBT that's good out to 1,000 yards. Special Ball had a bad reputation among match ammos, but I'm not sure how much "worse" it really was compared to M118 Match. Never seen mean radius test barrel results for that stuff.

Bogie · March 19, 2002, 02:00 PM

My mid/late 1960's LC match wasn't crimped. I've still got maybe 100 rounds or so. Accuracy was fair - comparable to the Federal match loads. Got better accuracy with use of Noslers instead of the 173 gr. FMJ stuff.

February 17, 2002, 09:23 PM	#1
shu Senior Member Join Date: May 11, 2000 Location: lower rio grande valley, texas Posts: 216	Lc 77 Match ... is the headstamp on some 308 brass i picked up. This is righteous heavy stuff. Anything to know about it? - thanks __________________ If you would have Liberty you must accept that individual security is not the responsiblity of government. You must. - XAVIER ONASIS

February 18, 2002, 12:39 AM	#2
Archie Senior Member Join Date: May 26, 2000 Location: Hastings, Nebrasksa - the Hear Posts: 2,209	If memory serves.... it means "Lake City (19)77". If the primers are not crimped, it's match ammo brass. It's fuzzy in my head, but I think the match brass was marked "match". It's GI brass, and pretty good stuff. I just hate de-crimping the primer pockets. __________________ There ain't no free lunch, except Jesus. Archie Check out updated journal at http://oldmanmontgomery.wordpress.com/

February 18, 2002, 07:40 AM	#3
shu Senior Member Join Date: May 11, 2000 Location: lower rio grande valley, texas Posts: 216	Thanks. Have never fondled military brass and would not recognise it to look at it. However the books do warn of crimped primer pockets, and lower powder capacity due to thicker case walls. The primer pockets seemed ordinary enough but I was hesitant to start pushing in a primer where it did not want to fit. __________________ If you would have Liberty you must accept that individual security is not the responsiblity of government. You must. - XAVIER ONASIS

March 19, 2002, 01:33 PM	#8
Cheapo Senior Member Join Date: November 19, 1998 Posts: 986	Edward: That rear-case marking is from the ammo originally being M855 Match, loaded with the Sierra 168-gr HPBT match bullet. That was the finest G.I. 7.62mm match made. Case identification was to allow troops to know that each cartridge was "not for combat use", as the original interpretation of the Hague conventions on small arms projectiles. Since there is now a recognition that those don't reliably expand at all, despite being HPs, that rule has gone by the wayside. Many other threads have discussed this. BTW, all true USGI "match" brass will have no crimp. The M118 "Special Ball" was crimped, though it was considered almost "match" by virtue of using the M72/M118 173-gr FMJBT that's good out to 1,000 yards. Special Ball had a bad reputation among match ammos, but I'm not sure how much "worse" it really was compared to M118 Match. Never seen mean radius test barrel results for that stuff. __________________ Let us never forget that the only legitimate source of government power is the citizens. If WE cannot exercise a certain power, we cannot grant it to the state.

March 19, 2002, 02:00 PM	#9
Bogie Senior Member Join Date: June 5, 2000 Location: Job hunting on the road... Posts: 3,827	My mid/late 1960's LC match wasn't crimped. I've still got maybe 100 rounds or so. Accuracy was fair - comparable to the Federal match loads. Got better accuracy with use of Noslers instead of the 173 gr. FMJ stuff. __________________ Job hunting, but helping a friend out at www.vikingmachineusa.com - and learning the finer aspects of becoming a precision machinist. And making the world's greatest bottle openers!

February 18, 2002, 08:31 AM	#4
Edward429451 Junior member Join Date: November 12, 2000 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado Posts: 9,494	My LC match says LC Match on it.

February 19, 2002, 09:56 PM	#5
griz Senior Member Join Date: July 31, 2000 Location: Middle Peninsula, VA Posts: 1,588	Most of the military 308 brass is heavier than commercial and therefore you have to cut back on any listed max charge. I used it for match loads where accuracy was more important than velocity so I had no problem with it.

February 19, 2002, 11:14 PM	#6
C.R.Sam Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1999 Location: Dewey, AZ Posts: 12,858	Match shouldn't have had crimped primers in em. Meant to be reloaded. Sam

February 19, 2002, 11:44 PM	#7
Edward429451 Junior member Join Date: November 12, 2000 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado Posts: 9,494	My brass, headstamped LC 90 Match, was labeled when I bought it, ".308 Military Match-Once Fired-Crimp Removed" It also has some sort of identifiing mark near the base, looks like a very light cannelure. Not sure whos what designation it is but it sure makes it easy to spot my brass...