Deutsche Waffen Rifle

McQueen239 · March 20, 2024, 09:08 PM

I recently picked up this rifle and know absolutely nothing about it. I have found articles about the company but nothing regarding the little information this rifle is giving me. The number 33 is stamped on the barrel along with the Deutsche Waffen stamp and no Insignia like others I have seen. I would sure appreciate any information I could find out.

bobn · March 21, 2024, 07:27 AM

it has a clip slot. so it is a military mauser action. it might have stated life as a sporter though. the safety is similar to the ones used on a 95. caliber? 7x57? does the barrel have steps or a taper to the muzzle?....

Jim Watson · March 21, 2024, 09:41 AM

It looks like an 1895 Mauser as issued by Chile and other countries.
It is very shiny and blue, I think it has been refinished and the national crest removed. What kind of stock is it in?

skywag · March 21, 2024, 11:43 AM

Jim Watson · March 21, 2024, 11:51 AM

The 1909 was popular for sporterizing, peacetime quality and a commercial style floor plate latch. But that is not what the OP has.

ligonierbill · March 21, 2024, 01:08 PM

We could use some "macro" pictures.

Paul B. · March 21, 2024, 01:48 PM

From the pictures provided I'm guessing either an 1893 or 1895 Mauser that's possibly been converter to a sporter.

A couple of questions if I may.

1. Does the rifle cock on the closing stroke? Then it could be a 93, 95 and possibly a 96 made for the Swedes. Sometimes customized versions have been converted to cocking on the opening stroke.

2. When you remove the bolt from the rifle, is the bolt face flat on the bottom or rounded? If flat it is an 1893 or possibly a 1916 which is based on the 1893 action. If rounded, most likely an 1895 or again possibly an 1896 Swede.

The 1893/95 Mausers were mostly chambered to 7x57 Mauser and the Swedish version to the .6.5 Swede cartridge.

Paul B.

taylorce1 · March 22, 2024, 10:18 AM

From the picture I can see from the top it definitely looks like a small ring intermediate length Mauser. I would like to see pictures of the whole rifle as it looks like the stock fitting is top notch from that same picture. As mentioned if you make use od the Macro setting on your phone or digital camera, you'll have better closeup photos of your lettering and markings.

McQueen239 · March 22, 2024, 01:55 PM

Thank you all so much for the information, will try and get some better pictures posted this weekend.

McQueen239 · March 22, 2024, 04:31 PM

The Bolt face seems to be flat and there is a small taper on the Barrel if this is what you are referring to (Pictures Enclosed). It seems to Cock when the bolt is going forward, I have to use more strength to lock it down. What kind of wood did they use to build the stocks and forearms ? Hopefully these pictures are better if not I can upload some more.

Jim Watson · March 22, 2024, 04:56 PM

1895 Mauser, pretty sure.
That is a stepped barrel, probably the original Chile military barrel, caliber 7x57.

I can’t tell if the stock is a Sporter replacement or the military stock cut way down. The panels over the action are traditional German sporting rifle style.

Sights and barrel sling swivels are Sporter replacements.

A nice looking little rifle.

Scorch · March 23, 2024, 02:29 AM

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it has a clip slot. so it is a military mauser action

No. Just no. Clip slots were on LOTS of commercial Mausers until the 1950s, they were the speed loaders of the day. Heck, Winchester even put them on Model 54s and Model 70s.

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From the pictures provided I'm guessing either an 1893 or 1895 Mauser that's possibly been converter to a sporter.

My guess is it's a DWM 1893, not a 1895. The Chilean Model 1895s had Ejercito Chileno and Republica De Chile with a crest roll-marked into the action, but there were a lot of 1893s that had no crests rolled into the actions. Easiest way to tell is to see the bolt face or the action behind the rear action ring for the locking slot of the 1895 or none like the 1893.

Nicely done sporter, still cock-on-close, modified military stock, lots of work to polish it to that degree. Given all the work that went into it I wouldn't try to guess if it's been rebarreled, but possibly not.

McQueen239 · March 23, 2024, 07:33 AM

Thanks again to everyone helping, Do you think this could be fired safely considering I could find the correct ammunition ?

Jim Watson · March 23, 2024, 07:59 AM

Just looking at pictures, I would say it is in sound condition.
Caliber probably was and likely remains 7x57 - 7mm Mauser
https://www.targetsportsusa.com/7x57...ammo-c-96.aspx

CAUTION: The first listing is for S&B 7mm Rimmed for combination guns, will not fit your bolt action. The Privi is a good brand.

taylorce1 · March 23, 2024, 09:57 AM

@McQueen239, I wouldn't ever tell you that rifle is safe to fire. I will tell you, it is potentially safe and take it to a gunsmith. I'd ask for a chamber cast to determine the cartridge it is chambered in. I'd have him check the headspace as well, once the cartridge is determined. I'd probably have the cartridge stamped onto the barrel as well.

Once a professional has checked it out, and you listen to what they tell you. Then it is up to you to determine if you want to attempt firing the rifle or not. I don't see any reason that rifle couldn't be enjoyed at the range or afield, once it has been checked out by a professional.

Paul B. · March 23, 2024, 02:53 PM

Maybe I was not quite clear. When you remove the bolt from the rifle and look at the face of the bolt, is it flat on the bottom or round? Flat is the 1893 rifle and round the model 1895.
Paul B.

**44 AMP** · March 24, 2024, 01:13 PM

The barrel has a step in it, this was the standard military profile, but, that isn't a guarantee it was a military rifle.

I don't think it was made as a military action, because while it does have the stripper clip guide, it does not have the thumb slot in the left side of the action wall. I don't know about the 93, but my Swede 96 (which is a 95 pattern action) has the thumb slot, as do all the military 98 versions.

The stock is either highly reworked military (the straight grip suggests a 95 to me) or possibly "civilian" wood with that style.

Caliber is probably 7x57mm but take it to an actual gunsmith (not the guy who builds ARs and calls himself a gunsmith) and have a chamber cast done and then once the correct cartridge is determined, have the headspace checked.

IF it all checks out, there's no reason it can't be fired safely, so long as you keep the ammo pressure within the intended range for that era rifle.

March 21, 2024, 11:43 AM	#4
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March 21, 2024, 01:48 PM	#7
Paul B. Senior Member Join Date: March 28, 1999 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 3,802	From the pictures provided I'm guessing either an 1893 or 1895 Mauser that's possibly been converter to a sporter. A couple of questions if I may. 1. Does the rifle cock on the closing stroke? Then it could be a 93, 95 and possibly a 96 made for the Swedes. Sometimes customized versions have been converted to cocking on the opening stroke. 2. When you remove the bolt from the rifle, is the bolt face flat on the bottom or rounded? If flat it is an 1893 or possibly a 1916 which is based on the 1893 action. If rounded, most likely an 1895 or again possibly an 1896 Swede. The 1893/95 Mausers were mostly chambered to 7x57 Mauser and the Swedish version to the .6.5 Swede cartridge. Paul B. __________________ COMPROMISE IS NOT AN OPTION!

March 22, 2024, 10:18 AM	#8
taylorce1 Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2005 Location: On the Santa Fe Trail Posts: 8,249	From the picture I can see from the top it definitely looks like a small ring intermediate length Mauser. I would like to see pictures of the whole rifle as it looks like the stock fitting is top notch from that same picture. As mentioned if you make use od the Macro setting on your phone or digital camera, you'll have better closeup photos of your lettering and markings. __________________ NRA Life Member

March 23, 2024, 09:57 AM	#15
taylorce1 Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2005 Location: On the Santa Fe Trail Posts: 8,249	@McQueen239, I wouldn't ever tell you that rifle is safe to fire. I will tell you, it is potentially safe and take it to a gunsmith. I'd ask for a chamber cast to determine the cartridge it is chambered in. I'd have him check the headspace as well, once the cartridge is determined. I'd probably have the cartridge stamped onto the barrel as well. Once a professional has checked it out, and you listen to what they tell you. Then it is up to you to determine if you want to attempt firing the rifle or not. I don't see any reason that rifle couldn't be enjoyed at the range or afield, once it has been checked out by a professional. __________________ NRA Life Member

March 23, 2024, 02:53 PM	#16
Paul B. Senior Member Join Date: March 28, 1999 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 3,802	Maybe I was not quite clear. When you remove the bolt from the rifle and look at the face of the bolt, is it flat on the bottom or round? Flat is the 1893 rifle and round the model 1895. Paul B. __________________ COMPROMISE IS NOT AN OPTION!

March 21, 2024, 07:27 AM	#2
bobn Senior Member Join Date: December 30, 2006 Location: midwest Posts: 1,105	it has a clip slot. so it is a military mauser action. it might have stated life as a sporter though. the safety is similar to the ones used on a 95. caliber? 7x57? does the barrel have steps or a taper to the muzzle?....

March 21, 2024, 09:41 AM	#3
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,545	It looks like an 1895 Mauser as issued by Chile and other countries. It is very shiny and blue, I think it has been refinished and the national crest removed. What kind of stock is it in?

March 21, 2024, 11:51 AM	#5
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,545	The 1909 was popular for sporterizing, peacetime quality and a commercial style floor plate latch. But that is not what the OP has.

March 21, 2024, 01:08 PM	#6
ligonierbill Senior Member Join Date: May 20, 2007 Posts: 2,458	We could use some "macro" pictures.

March 22, 2024, 01:55 PM	#9
McQueen239 Junior Member Join Date: September 9, 2023 Location: Southwest Florida Posts: 6	Thank you all so much for the information, will try and get some better pictures posted this weekend.

March 22, 2024, 04:56 PM	#11
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,545	1895 Mauser, pretty sure. That is a stepped barrel, probably the original Chile military barrel, caliber 7x57. I can’t tell if the stock is a Sporter replacement or the military stock cut way down. The panels over the action are traditional German sporting rifle style. Sights and barrel sling swivels are Sporter replacements. A nice looking little rifle.

March 23, 2024, 07:33 AM	#13
McQueen239 Junior Member Join Date: September 9, 2023 Location: Southwest Florida Posts: 6	Thanks again to everyone helping, Do you think this could be fired safely considering I could find the correct ammunition ?

March 23, 2024, 07:59 AM	#14
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,545	Just looking at pictures, I would say it is in sound condition. Caliber probably was and likely remains 7x57 - 7mm Mauser https://www.targetsportsusa.com/7x57...ammo-c-96.aspx CAUTION: The first listing is for S&B 7mm Rimmed for combination guns, will not fit your bolt action. The Privi is a good brand.

March 24, 2024, 01:13 PM	#17
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,860	The barrel has a step in it, this was the standard military profile, but, that isn't a guarantee it was a military rifle. I don't think it was made as a military action, because while it does have the stripper clip guide, it does not have the thumb slot in the left side of the action wall. I don't know about the 93, but my Swede 96 (which is a 95 pattern action) has the thumb slot, as do all the military 98 versions. The stock is either highly reworked military (the straight grip suggests a 95 to me) or possibly "civilian" wood with that style. Caliber is probably 7x57mm but take it to an actual gunsmith (not the guy who builds ARs and calls himself a gunsmith) and have a chamber cast done and then once the correct cartridge is determined, have the headspace checked. IF it all checks out, there's no reason it can't be fired safely, so long as you keep the ammo pressure within the intended range for that era rifle. __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.