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Old December 14, 2020, 08:59 PM   #501
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I've heard nightmare stories about the KMT armies. March through a village and grab the peasants and tie them down at night so they can't desert. Limit of 5 bullets a soldier if they were lucky enough to get them. Constant retreat w/Japanese hot on their tails. Poor training if any training at all. Corrupt leadership with one of Chiang Kai Shek's brother-in-laws stealing 90% of the funds, the general taking his 90%, the colonel 90% and so on until the soldier got barely anything. US advisers were so frustrated they suggested that weapons be given to the Commies who were willing to fight the Japanese. CKS was conserving his strength for the post-war Chinese Civil War.

I give your grandfather a lot of credit for surviving through those horrid battles and the war. Can you tell more?
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Old December 14, 2020, 09:43 PM   #502
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All you said is mostly true, except that chicom didn't do jack. KMT did the heavy lifting. The communists just sheltered themselves to get stronger, and fooled the Americans, so that they could seize power after the war. Look at the number of people who died in action, overwhelmingly KMT, officers and enlisted. But that's for some other time.

That grandfather was my mother's father. His cousin, my mother's uncle, was studying at St. John college in Shanghai. He volunteered when the Japanese invaded Shanghai, and became 2nd lieutenant. He remembered the Americans fighting with them. He remembered the flying tigers defending Kunming.

On my father's side, 2 uncles were officers. One died of dieses. One was missing.

Grandfather didn't talk much about the war. He told me those bits when he was half drunk. Maybe he said more, but that is what I remember.

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Old December 29, 2020, 03:30 PM   #503
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WW II Germany

Nurses and teenage boys drafted to help are helping unload wounded from an ambulance train that just arrived from the Eastern Front.

A "walking wounded" with his right arm missing shouted, "Hey sister, I am right-handed. How do I wipe my a**?"
"You are right handed? Use your right foot," said one of the nurses. Everyone still conscious laughed.
"You think that's possible?"
"Listen," she replied, "the Fuhrer said, "For a German soldier, nothing is impossible.' Nothing!" Again wild laughter, soldiers' gallows humor.
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Patton visits the Sultan of Morroco.
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"During the tea some screams were heard followed by two shots. The Sultan excused himself and walked out with great dignity and after a while returned. General Nogues asked him what happened. He said that one of the panthers in the museum had made a very beautiful leap of twenty feet and had gone through the hole and started to eat up one of the ladies of the harem, but some of the guards had shot it. The lady was only cut on the throat, and it made little differene, as she was not a wife, but a concubine. With this slight interruption tea went on."
Patton's War As I Knew It pgs 14-5.
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Old January 3, 2021, 10:29 PM   #505
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Catholic Confirmation celebration

Pre WW II Austria and a young boy has his Catholic Confirmation Ceremony but his God Uncle wouln't buy him a gold watch like other boys traditionally received (but in all fairness, it's the depression and who has money?). Oh well.

He was asked what he would like to eat in the celebratory meal that followed at his aunt's house.

"I wanted a schnitzel so large that it hung over all of the edges of the plate. That was what I'd been promised and I had a right to it.

"The table was already laid out after our return from church. I noticed that in front of my seat there was no dinner plate, rather just a little sugar dish, as is used in Austria for the sugar cubes. I thought this must be a mistake and so I fetched a bigger plate for myself. After a short time, as we sat down for our supper, at my spot there was only the tiny sugar dish again. But then auntie came with the schnitzels already, handing out the portions for everyone during which she passed over me. Lastly, I received as I wanted my schnitzel, it even hung over all the sides of the plate, only the dish was tiny and the schnitzel 'bigger' by comparison.

"I sat there flabbergasted, everyone looked at me and laughed at the top of their voices.

"I started to bawl, knocking the midget schnitzel back and howling like a wounded dog. I still don't know today why I had taken this harmless joke so seriously back then. I only know that I didn't take a single bite from either the small schnitzel nor from the larger one they brought out after. I was deeply hurt. First everyone spoke nicely to me, then they all told me off, but the day was totally ruined for me now."

Taken from 30 Years' Travel, page 86. It's also offers insights into post WW I depression era Austria.

BTW, a stunt was done in my family. My nephew loved chocolate cake so one was made for him. Initially he only received the top curved portion that was sliced off to make the cake flat for the frosting. It had frosting and candles on it along with his name. He didn't bawl like the kid above did but accepted it. Then the real layered cake was brought out and the joy on his face was priceless.
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Patton picks a cook

"Patton was a hearty eater and very fond of good food, particularly pies and pastries. On his African beachhead he 'captured' the cook to satisfy this taste.

"It was the first night, very dark, and the situation very tense. Everyone had his finger on the trigger. The challenge was 'George,' the reply 'Patton,' He was all over the beechhead, prodding an ddirecting when sudddenly a near-by sentry yelled, 'Halt, who's there!'

"A long silence followed. Again the sentry barked, 'Who goes there! George!' Again no reply for a moment. Then, in squeaky, broken English, 'Me no George. Me Sergeant Lee. Best damned cook in U. S. Army.'

"Before the sentry could reply, Patton shouted, 'Sentry, grab that man. If he's the best damned cook in the Army, I want him. Bring him here.'

"That was the way Sergeant Thue P. Lee, American-born Chinese, precipitiously transferred from an Engineer battalion to Patton's personal entourage, to cook appreciatively for him until he died."

From page 44 of Col. Robert S. Allen's Lucky Forward. The history of Patton's Third U. S. Army. Col. Allen was a staff officer in the Third Army.
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"Modern" story involving the 82nd Airborne at Market-Garden

"The Germans sure wouldn't give up, and we had another occasion to provide entertainment when they attempted another review of the flats. Goodale, a few other troopers and I sat and watched a patrol circle the far side. There was a dike there offering them some cover and they could have gone undetected if they had crawled instead of stooping. The Lieutenant had six enemy soldiers spotted from way back through his field glasses. When the Germans reached the range he wanted, Goodale turned from his glasses.

'Someone man the .30 caliber.'

"I was the closest, so without looking around for Warren or another gunner I climbed into the hole. I hadn't fired a machine gun since Basic Training.

"'Set your sight for 300 yards. Fire when ready.'

"I knew what I was doing, but didn't know if the other guys knew that I knew. The weapon-sight was cranked up to 300; I lined up on the first man and pulled the trigger. Tracers launched form the muzzle flew instantly to their intended target. With a direct hit I pumped several rounds into the first man. His chest just exploded but his body was slow to drop; then it sort of melted to the ground. It was a gruesome death. I lifted my aim and before they knew what hit them, three more of the six-man patrol were laid on the ground. The other two ran for their lives in different directions. I stopped firing and let them disappear behind the dikes.

"Lieutenant Goodale lowered his glasses and looked my way. 'Damn, Dwayne, where did you learn to shoot like that?'

'I tried to suppress a grin. 'Us radio guys are taught to send communciations through the air. I figure they got the message.'"

What Sgt. Burns didn't tell the lieutenant was that when he was first trained and before he became a paratrooper he was a machine gunner (pg 3).

From pg 126-7 of Dwayne T. Burns' Jump Into the Valley of the Shadow.
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While e/r through Belgium during the Battle of the Bulge:

"In places where we couldn't stop, the townsfolk lined the street to wave and cheer. They also threw bread and apples. That was how I might have earned a Purple Heart: as we went through one village, I was turned to face a small crowd just in time to get hit in the eye with an apple.
"'Yeow!'
"'Burns are you all right?' Joe was sympathetic.
"'Yeah, I guess. Whose side are they on?'
"'Someout out there must have a good right arm judging from the way it came in.'
"'I'm not bleeding or anything unusual am I?'
"Joe grinned. 'No, but that's too bad. You could've earned a Purple Heart.'
"'No thanks. I'd have to tell the medics I was hit by a flying missile. And if they asked what type, I'd have to answer it was a 'Red Delicious.'"

Same book, p 161.
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Landing in Algeria

Gallows humor from a general:

"If in danger,
If in doubt,
Run in circles,
Scream and shout!
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From Tony Lumpkin's Captured Yesterday, p.71.
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When the PoWs found the ground too hard to break up with the garden tools....

British and American officer PoWs in a German camp were permitted to garden and found the soil far too hard to break up with the tools they were issued.

"They simply started a rumor that there was a tunnel in the area, and the Germans brought in a platoon to dig up the soil looking for a tunnel, and therefore loosened the soil for their garden."

Pretty smart. ROFLMAO.

From p 233-4 of Tony Lupkin's Captured Yesterday.

One thing I noticed is that our enlisted personnel could be starved and forced to work. Hardly any Red Cross food parcels reached them and they were feed bread with wood flour (sawdust) as well as a watery soup. Lupkin mentions the ferquency of packages that the officers received.
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