Help Please: Rifle identification. Is this real or reproduction?

cliffhanger2486 · March 3, 2017, 01:03 PM

Hello all,

I am new to the forum. I'm wondering if anyone can tell me anything about this black powder rifle. It has no markings anywhere. I know a lot about guns but not about black powder. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

ultralight.jm · March 3, 2017, 01:31 PM

Replica.

Pahoo · March 3, 2017, 01:47 PM

Quote:

It has no markings anywhere.

Have you pulled the barrel to see if there are any markings on the underside? I'm seeing a few "uncommon" features, like that rigger guard. Can you also post a picture of left side, opposite the lock. I have an idea but not enough info, to support it. .....

PM coming and;
Be Safe !!!

cliffhanger2486 · March 3, 2017, 03:21 PM

I'll post more pics in a bit

cliffhanger2486 · March 3, 2017, 03:22 PM

Do replicas stil fire?

Hawg · March 3, 2017, 04:29 PM

It's a non firing decorator piece.

bedbugbilly · March 3, 2017, 04:52 PM

^ ^ ^ ^ +1

A wall hanging "wannabe" non firing somewhat kind of but not really accurate reproduction for decorating only rifle

Old Stony · March 3, 2017, 05:28 PM

Gotta agree with above....I'm thinking replica also.

**4V50 Gary** · March 3, 2017, 05:56 PM

Zinc parts. Do not shoot.

Model12Win · March 3, 2017, 09:20 PM

I don't think the hammer is supposed to look like that if it is made to be fireable.

Bishop Creek · March 3, 2017, 09:43 PM

Hammer is all wrong, looks like a non-firing replica for use as a wall hanger.

Hawg · March 4, 2017, 01:12 AM

The hammer is broken off.

Irish Jack · March 4, 2017, 01:58 PM

It is a decorator imported from some where.

Smoke & Recoil · March 4, 2017, 04:05 PM

It's not a fake...it's a real reproduction to simulate a real muzzleloader and it's
impossible to load...any way, the ramrod is to short to use. If you like it, display it.

Hellgate · March 4, 2017, 05:09 PM

Display piece/toy. The nipple looks like it has a rounded base indicating it is unremoveable or cast into the bolster. Broken hammer and pounded nipple suggest that it used to cock and snap but I wonder if the nipple even has a flash hole. Blowing down the barrel might show if the nipple is patent. My bet is no to idiot proof it.

ThomasT · March 10, 2017, 12:16 AM

That appears to be an original replica of a non existant rifle.

March 3, 2017, 03:21 PM	#4
cliffhanger2486 Junior Member Join Date: March 3, 2017 Posts: 3	Do replicas fire? I'll post more pics in a bit

March 3, 2017, 03:22 PM	#5
cliffhanger2486 Junior Member Join Date: March 3, 2017 Posts: 3	Firing Do replicas stil fire?

March 3, 2017, 04:52 PM	#7
bedbugbilly Senior Member Join Date: November 19, 2009 Posts: 3,287	^ ^ ^ ^ +1 A wall hanging "wannabe" non firing somewhat kind of but not really accurate reproduction for decorating only rifle __________________ If a pair of '51 Navies were good enough for Billy Hickok, then a single Navy on my right hip is good enough for me . . . besides . . . I'm probably only half as good as he was anyways. Hiram's Rangers Badge #63

March 3, 2017, 05:56 PM	#9
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,848	Zinc parts. Do not shoot. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

March 4, 2017, 04:05 PM	#14
Smoke & Recoil Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: East shore of Lake Michigan. Posts: 715	It's not a fake...it's a real reproduction to simulate a real muzzleloader and it's impossible to load...any way, the ramrod is to short to use. If you like it, display it. __________________ Sent from my Tandy 1000

March 3, 2017, 01:31 PM	#2
ultralight.jm Junior Member Join Date: March 25, 2016 Posts: 2	Replica.

March 3, 2017, 04:29 PM	#6
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,190	It's a non firing decorator piece.

March 3, 2017, 05:28 PM	#8
Old Stony Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 2013 Location: East Texas Posts: 1,705	Gotta agree with above....I'm thinking replica also.

March 3, 2017, 09:20 PM	#10
Model12Win Junior member Join Date: October 20, 2012 Posts: 5,854	I don't think the hammer is supposed to look like that if it is made to be fireable.

March 3, 2017, 09:43 PM	#11
Bishop Creek Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2011 Posts: 566	Hammer is all wrong, looks like a non-firing replica for use as a wall hanger.

March 4, 2017, 01:12 AM	#12
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,190	The hammer is broken off.

March 4, 2017, 01:58 PM	#13
Irish Jack Member Join Date: February 26, 2017 Posts: 29	It is a decorator imported from some where.

March 4, 2017, 05:09 PM	#15
Hellgate Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2010 Location: Orygun Posts: 869	Display piece/toy. The nipple looks like it has a rounded base indicating it is unremoveable or cast into the bolster. Broken hammer and pounded nipple suggest that it used to cock and snap but I wonder if the nipple even has a flash hole. Blowing down the barrel might show if the nipple is patent. My bet is no to idiot proof it. __________________ With over 15 perCUSSIN' revolvers, I've been called the Imelda Marcos of cap & ball. SASS#3302 (Life), SASS Regulator, NRA (Life), Dirty Gamey Bastards #129 Wolverton Mtn. Peacekeepers (WA), former Orygun Cowboy (Ranger, Posse from Hell)

March 10, 2017, 12:16 AM	#16
ThomasT Senior Member Join Date: January 22, 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 2,754	That appears to be an original replica of a non existant rifle.