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February 16, 2023, 08:22 PM | #26 |
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February 16, 2023, 09:56 PM | #27 | |
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1. Leade in the chamber happens within max COAL. 2. Bullet is longer than (COAL - brass length). What it takes is a less pointy bullet ogive profile. Round nose, flat point, or even, to the very extreme, cylindrical with no ogive. I don't quite remember the details. But it must one of my milsurp rifles. I switched from a spritzer point bullet to round nose, keeping the same COAL. Bullet jammed to the riflings. I didn't know till I extracted an unfired round. Power was everywhere and I had to push out the stuck bullet with cleaning rod. Round nose is shorter than spritzer of the same weight. But it doesn't have to be the same weight. -TL Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk |
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February 16, 2023, 10:21 PM | #28 | |
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When I seat RN slugs instead of pointed ones I don't touch my seating stem. This results in a round with a shorter COAL but keeps the full diameter part of the bullet in the same place, and keeps the same amount of bullet base in the case as well.
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February 16, 2023, 11:01 PM | #29 | |
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For each bullet-rifle combination I want to know the COAL that hits to he rifling. I want to enter the bullet jump on GRT. It makes the results more accurate. -TL Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk |
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February 17, 2023, 03:53 AM | #30 | |
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Unless you're seating swc pistol bullets, the seating stem bears on the bullet well below the tip. I set my dies initially, on a factory round, which produces a round within max COAL and not touching the rifling. This has worked for me loading over 30 different calibers in over 50 years of reloading. I don't see how you would do otherwise and jam a bullet into the rifling, but obviously some people can, and have.
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February 17, 2023, 07:03 AM | #31 |
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The OP specified he was loading a 168 gr Sierra MK for an AR- !0
I have experience with that bullet used with a pair Badger Barrel originally installed by Armalite in a pair of AR-10 T s and a Kreiger installed replacement barrel,along with my stock DPMS LR 308 L barrel. No rifling contact loaded to 2.800. I can't prove it,but I'd assume the military 175 gr 7.62 Sniper round would work in an SR-25. I'd like to think the design folks would spec the reamer to work with relatively standard ammo loaded to mag length without a lot of tail chasing. Yes,a person might find good reason to load an unusual bullet (like a heavy round nose). Sometimes taking the steps to check is good. You CAN find 168 gr match ammo. Within the scope of the OP's question, I do not think there is a problem. I suggest we recognize where the OP is. He started with 2.800 without finding the lands or having the rifle. Understandable. There is a lot to digest. Loading progressively deeper from 2.800 is IMO, a stroll through the briar patch when he is trying to get ready for a range trip and conserve components. Side trips to the weeds can be counter productive when following the path will reach the destination. |
February 17, 2023, 12:56 PM | #32 | |
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February 17, 2023, 05:55 PM | #33 |
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The point of the ogive where the seating stem contacts it is less than full caliber bullet diameter. Usually at a point quite a bit less than that (and closer to the nose of the bullet).
Normally, any part of the bullet sticking into the bore where the leade begins is substantially less than the diameter which would contact the rifling. So it touches nothing. I guess the question is what is the difference between where your seating stem contacts the bullet and where on the bullet is the point where it is wide enough to contact the rifling. What I'm thinking is, that if the point on the bullet where the seating stem contacts it is ahead of the point where the bullet is wide enough to contact the rifling (and I think it usually is) then using the same stem setting that keeps a pointed bullet out of the rifling will do the same for a RN or FP bullet as well. I wonder if Uncle Nick has one of his wonderful drawings illustrating that?
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February 17, 2023, 06:44 PM | #34 |
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I think for my intents and purposes, I am probably getting a bit too anal on things. My buddy was happy with results, so I am good. Even with the variation, he had a couple of groups just a little over MOA with a PSA AR-10.
I did measure some Nosler ABLR factory seconds and those were no more than .002 variance in ogive. All about the bullets. |
February 17, 2023, 09:06 PM | #35 |
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Keep shooting and practicing. Looks like the 2.354 on the 168s and 2.353 on the 175s. You can seat them deeper and see if you hit a node usually you will see groups the same moa in a node area for example 2.353, 2.350 2.347 should group close together then you know you hit a great seating depth. And you shouldn’t have to change it much after that. I was lucky and found my node in 30-06 at 2.717 for 168s and haven’t touched it since . If you find something that works! write that recipe down notice I used your comparator numbers vs OAL Last edited by akinswi; February 17, 2023 at 09:18 PM. |
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