Pointing an empty handgun when rounds run out? - Page 2

thesheepdog · September 2, 2010, 09:23 AM

Pointing an empty weapon is a great way to get a broken arm.

Daugherty16 · September 2, 2010, 01:42 PM

If they watch enough TV or play enough video games, they might go for it.

Anyway, why after expending all your ammo have you not neutralized the threat?

Were you totally outnumbered before the SHTF?

Did you have no way to run away before the first shot? Was your panic so uncontrollable, or your shooting just so poor from adrenaline or a thousand other things that you just couldn't hit the BG?

or couldn't hit them all?

or was your sin the worst of all - failure to bring enough ammo?

I assume they've been returning fire and you aren't immobilized yet, so they aren't shooting any better then you are. Guess i'd want to use available cover and run like the wind, only a wind that darts from cover to cover, zigs and zags.

TylerD45ACP · September 2, 2010, 01:48 PM

I never could understand how someone could carry a pistol with NO reload. Im not even comfortable with 1 reload, I want at least 2. I also want a backup pistol with a reload.

DiscoRacing · September 2, 2010, 01:50 PM

Tyler... you want like four or five primary guns... two pocket guns(four if wearing cargo pants)..three ankle guns.... and two backups... all with four or five mags......and... if possible....a shotgun or two somewhere in the back/shoulders.

TylerD45ACP · September 2, 2010, 02:09 PM

LOL, Disco. Sounds like you got something there

.

plumbernater · September 6, 2010, 12:07 PM

If you dont hit the bad guy by then runnnnnnnnnn, You need to practice if that question is in your head

Manco · September 11, 2010, 01:38 PM

In situations like these, you've got to ask yourself one question: "Do I feel lucky?"

Don P · September 11, 2010, 02:09 PM

When pointing that empty gun should we pull the trigger and say BANG, BANG your'e dead?

TylerD45ACP · September 11, 2010, 04:56 PM

I love when Harry Callahan is messing with the bad guys in one. He pulls up along side there car.
-(Harry)"Excuse me do you know where the entrance for San Quentin is?
-(BG)"What are you blind, you missed the sign on the fence back there?
-(Harry)"No, I see just fine. I just wanted to know if you knew where San Quentin was. You do, dont you A**hole."
I LOVE IT, HIS COMMENTS ARE GREAT.

TimberWolf7.62 · September 11, 2010, 05:22 PM

If forced, I'd rather use my pistol as a blunt object than a projectile. Or go to my knife.

TylerD45ACP · September 11, 2010, 05:32 PM

Agree about the knife. I have a good folder, and know where to go with it on the human body. My mother is an R.N. she taught me alot about the human anatomy. Im glad because now I know better ways to disable it.

booker_t · September 28, 2010, 02:20 PM

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..once all mags are depleted.

If for some reason it ever did come to that, and there is no escape, I'm pulling my knife and going to work.

Then again, if I run through 46 rounds and haven't stopped the threat, I might just try beating myself over the head with the gun and do the BG a favor. haha

2500ak · September 28, 2010, 03:13 PM

"I know what you're thinking. Did he just fire six shots, or only five? Well to tell you the truth in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself." -Harry Callahan

As awesome as movie bluffs like that are, I don't think that a bluff like that, would work out quite so well in real life in most cases.

I suppose maybe if the assailant was really gunshy, and rational.

Archie · September 28, 2010, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Daugherty16

Anyway, why after expending all your ammo have you not neutralized the threat? Were you totally outnumbered before the SHTF? Did you have no way to run away before the first shot? Was your panic so uncontrollable, or your shooting just so poor from adrenaline or a thousand other things that you just couldn't hit the BG? or couldn't hit them all? or was your sin the worst of all - failure to bring enough ammo?

Mr. D here beat me to the answer.

I'd suggest practicing to the point where one runs out of adversaries prior to running out of ammunition. The adage "One cannot miss fast enough to win" applies to gunfights as well as matches.

hardworker · September 28, 2010, 03:47 PM

If I've fired that many shots and still am not safe you're gonna see me running like a Kenyan.

TylerD45ACP · September 30, 2010, 03:33 PM

Agreed. No one wants to get into a SD situation; let alone a massive firefight where 30-45 rounds are fired between both parties

. Mostly me

.

Tamara · September 30, 2010, 04:09 PM

It might buy me enough time to decide whether to run away or throw it or decide to try to beat them down with it or whatever...

I'll note that, generally, folks tend to turn away from a gun being pointed at them. I don't know how much this applies to folks that have already been shot at a few times...

jimbob86 · September 30, 2010, 04:10 PM

If I am through the FIRST magazine, and the threat is still there, I am retreating until there is nowhere to go. I still have 9 more...

Lucky 7 · September 30, 2010, 06:22 PM

Why bother faking the funk with an empty gun?

The attacker(s) show intent to kill you (ie presenting a weapon) correct? Well, it's time for weapons of opportunity if you have burned through all your ammo. Use a dropped firearm, pipes, rocks or chunks of concrete, a knife, whatever you can find. The fight is on and you may have to get your hands dirty.

Regards and Semper Fi!
Lucky

kaylorinhi · September 30, 2010, 07:43 PM

Harry Callahan: I know what you're thinking. "Did he fire six shots or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?

This maybe enough to get you that mental pause from BG to get the flock out of there!

imprezagm4 · September 30, 2010, 08:14 PM

We are absolutely taught to never show an empty weapon during my LE reserve class. Attempting to "bluff" someone who is still in the fight though? Not a chance!

Tamara · September 30, 2010, 08:59 PM

You know, I may not realize it's empty for a second, either. Just sayin'...

therealdeal · October 2, 2010, 05:15 AM

it is a very possible scenario, but it is situation specific+you need to trust your gut. If you have distance between you and your target, you have fired a bunch of roads so far to help your situation, and the target doesn't know you are empty, then you can use this tool. You don't have to, but sometimes you only 'got what you got'. If its your last option than it can help. You have to decide the risk factor and if you are willing to pay the price(there might not be a better alternative).

example only:

-you have killed 3BG's and there is one left.
-you can't retreat(you are basically cornered)
-there hasn't been a huge time lapse and there is no reason why 4th BG thinks you're empty of ammo
-you see an opportunity to hold the 4th BG @ gunpoint(you're unloaded)

you can take it or do nothing. of course thats one of infinite scenarios.

in this perfect scenario, you could, in a very loud commanding voice inform BG you donot want to kill him like his friends but you will if he forces you to

September 2, 2010, 09:23 AM	#26
thesheepdog Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2010 Location: DFW Texas Posts: 1,996	Pointing an empty weapon is a great way to get a broken arm. __________________ Krav Maga/Judo Qualified Rifleman/Marksmanship Instructor/Lic. Medic "There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit" Romans 8:1

September 2, 2010, 01:42 PM	#27
Daugherty16 Senior Member Join Date: July 10, 2008 Location: Live Free or Die state Posts: 259	You could always call a time out... If they watch enough TV or play enough video games, they might go for it. Anyway, why after expending all your ammo have you not neutralized the threat? Were you totally outnumbered before the SHTF? Did you have no way to run away before the first shot? Was your panic so uncontrollable, or your shooting just so poor from adrenaline or a thousand other things that you just couldn't hit the BG? or couldn't hit them all? or was your sin the worst of all - failure to bring enough ammo? I assume they've been returning fire and you aren't immobilized yet, so they aren't shooting any better then you are. Guess i'd want to use available cover and run like the wind, only a wind that darts from cover to cover, zigs and zags. __________________ "To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness... How pathetic." - - Ted Nugent "Cogito, Ergo Armitum Sum" - (I Think, Therefore I Am Armed)- - anon.

September 2, 2010, 01:50 PM	#29
DiscoRacing Senior Member Join Date: December 19, 2008 Location: milton, wv Posts: 3,640	Tyler... you want like four or five primary guns... two pocket guns(four if wearing cargo pants)..three ankle guns.... and two backups... all with four or five mags......and... if possible....a shotgun or two somewhere in the back/shoulders. __________________ Desert Eagle Alliance Group Launcher Extraordinaire ______ ----Get Busy Live'n.....Or....Get Busy Die'n......Red -------They call me Dr. Bob,,,, I have a PhD in S&W

September 11, 2010, 02:09 PM	#33
Don P Senior Member Join Date: December 17, 2005 Location: Swamp dweller Posts: 6,187	When pointing that empty gun should we pull the trigger and say BANG, BANG your'e dead? __________________ *NRA Life Member, NRA Chief Range Safety Officer, NRA Certified Pistol Instructor,, USPSA & Steel Challange NROI Range Officer, ICORE Range Officer, ,MAG 40 Graduate* *As you are, I once was, As I am, You will be.*

September 30, 2010, 04:09 PM	#42
Tamara Moderator Emeritus Join Date: March 11, 2000 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 16,002	It might buy me enough time to decide whether to run away or throw it or decide to try to beat them down with it or whatever... I'll note that, generally, folks tend to turn away from a gun being pointed at them. I don't know how much this applies to folks that have already been shot at a few times... __________________ MOLON LABE! 2% Unobtainium, 98% Hypetanium. The Arms Room: An Online Museum.

September 2, 2010, 01:48 PM	#28
TylerD45ACP Senior Member Join Date: July 16, 2010 Posts: 1,654	I never could understand how someone could carry a pistol with NO reload. Im not even comfortable with 1 reload, I want at least 2. I also want a backup pistol with a reload.

September 2, 2010, 02:09 PM	#30
TylerD45ACP Senior Member Join Date: July 16, 2010 Posts: 1,654	LOL, Disco. Sounds like you got something there .

September 6, 2010, 12:07 PM	#31
plumbernater Senior Member Join Date: September 1, 2010 Posts: 165	If you dont hit the bad guy by then runnnnnnnnnn, You need to practice if that question is in your head

September 11, 2010, 01:38 PM	#32
Manco Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 2010 Posts: 171	In situations like these, you've got to ask yourself one question: "Do I feel lucky?"

September 11, 2010, 04:56 PM	#34
TylerD45ACP Senior Member Join Date: July 16, 2010 Posts: 1,654	I love when Harry Callahan is messing with the bad guys in one. He pulls up along side there car. -(Harry)"Excuse me do you know where the entrance for San Quentin is? -(BG)"What are you blind, you missed the sign on the fence back there? -(Harry)"No, I see just fine. I just wanted to know if you knew where San Quentin was. You do, dont you A**hole." I LOVE IT, HIS COMMENTS ARE GREAT.

September 11, 2010, 05:22 PM	#35
TimberWolf7.62 Member Join Date: May 29, 2010 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 24	If forced, I'd rather use my pistol as a blunt object than a projectile. Or go to my knife.

September 11, 2010, 05:32 PM	#36
TylerD45ACP Senior Member Join Date: July 16, 2010 Posts: 1,654	Agree about the knife. I have a good folder, and know where to go with it on the human body. My mother is an R.N. she taught me alot about the human anatomy. Im glad because now I know better ways to disable it.

September 28, 2010, 03:13 PM	#38
2500ak Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2010 Posts: 132	"I know what you're thinking. Did he just fire six shots, or only five? Well to tell you the truth in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself." -Harry Callahan As awesome as movie bluffs like that are, I don't think that a bluff like that, would work out quite so well in real life in most cases. I suppose maybe if the assailant was really gunshy, and rational.

September 28, 2010, 03:47 PM	#40
hardworker Senior Member Join Date: August 4, 2010 Posts: 820	If I've fired that many shots and still am not safe you're gonna see me running like a Kenyan.

September 30, 2010, 03:33 PM	#41
TylerD45ACP Senior Member Join Date: July 16, 2010 Posts: 1,654	Agreed. No one wants to get into a SD situation; let alone a massive firefight where 30-45 rounds are fired between both parties . Mostly me .

September 30, 2010, 04:10 PM	#43
jimbob86 Junior member Join Date: October 4, 2007 Location: All the way to NEBRASKA Posts: 8,722	If I am through the FIRST magazine, and the threat is still there, I am retreating until there is nowhere to go. I still have 9 more...

September 30, 2010, 06:22 PM	#44
Lucky 7 Senior Member Join Date: April 20, 2002 Posts: 454	Why bother faking the funk with an empty gun? The attacker(s) show intent to kill you (ie presenting a weapon) correct? Well, it's time for weapons of opportunity if you have burned through all your ammo. Use a dropped firearm, pipes, rocks or chunks of concrete, a knife, whatever you can find. The fight is on and you may have to get your hands dirty. Regards and Semper Fi! Lucky __________________ Signature Space For Rent. SOLD! "Just relax. Breath normally. All you should see is the front sight post. Ignore the the target. Wait for the pause between breaths and when you feel good about it...ease the trigger back." -PMI Sgt. Hopkins, USMC Last edited by Lucky 7; September 30, 2010 at 06:40 PM.

September 30, 2010, 07:43 PM	#45
kaylorinhi Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2010 Location: The brown eye of america Posts: 463	Somebody stated something like this earlier... Harry Callahan: I know what you're thinking. "Did he fire six shots or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk? This maybe enough to get you that mental pause from BG to get the flock out of there! __________________ Buy your guns by Yardline, Not Looks.

September 30, 2010, 08:14 PM	#46
imprezagm4 Junior Member Join Date: October 17, 2006 Location: Bend, OR Posts: 2	We are absolutely taught to never show an empty weapon during my LE reserve class. Attempting to "bluff" someone who is still in the fight though? Not a chance!

September 30, 2010, 08:59 PM	#47
Tamara Moderator Emeritus Join Date: March 11, 2000 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 16,002	You know, I may not realize it's empty for a second, either. Just sayin'... __________________ MOLON LABE! 2% Unobtainium, 98% Hypetanium. The Arms Room: An Online Museum.

October 2, 2010, 05:15 AM	#48
therealdeal Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2010 Posts: 627	it is a very possible scenario, but it is situation specific+you need to trust your gut. If you have distance between you and your target, you have fired a bunch of roads so far to help your situation, and the target doesn't know you are empty, then you can use this tool. You don't have to, but sometimes you only 'got what you got'. If its your last option than it can help. You have to decide the risk factor and if you are willing to pay the price(there might not be a better alternative). example only: -you have killed 3BG's and there is one left. -you can't retreat(you are basically cornered) -there hasn't been a huge time lapse and there is no reason why 4th BG thinks you're empty of ammo -you see an opportunity to hold the 4th BG @ gunpoint(you're unloaded) you can take it or do nothing. of course thats one of infinite scenarios. in this perfect scenario, you could, in a very loud commanding voice inform BG you donot want to kill him like his friends but you will if he forces you to __________________ NRA Distinguished Life Member "Abraham Lincoln freed all men, but Sam Colt made them all equal." (post Civil War slogan)