Ruger 22/45 suppressor

IAMDEATH · October 28, 2013, 06:47 PM

I don't know if this is the right forum for this..I recently purchased a Ruger 22/45 with the threaded barrel and I've been watching videos on YouTube of how well the shoot supressed. Does anyone know of a well made suppresesor that won't break the bank since I also will end up paying the $200 tax stamp fee.

DPris · October 28, 2013, 11:30 PM

Silencerco Sparrow.
Well-made & easy to break down for cleaning.
I like mine, average sound reduction of about 36 DB. You can find some slightly quieter, but the Sparrow gets the job done.
Denis

bt380 · October 29, 2013, 12:53 AM

Guns & Ammo magazine http://www.gunsandammo.com/2013/09/2...lencer-review/
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The front page is of a silencer available in .22lr, .223,.308, 9mm from Sig Sauer. http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProdu...lr-sig-sd.aspx

Theohazard · October 29, 2013, 03:22 AM

Considering this is about silencers, it should be in the NFA forum.

I love the Sparrow, but if the primary host is a pistol I'd get a Spectre II. The Sparrow is super-quiet, but the Spectre is slightly quieter (especially on a pistol) and has much less first round pop; that's the main disadvantage of a monocore design like the Sparrow: more first round pop (the first shot is noticeably louder than subsequent shots; this is especially noticeable when shooting the Sparrow on a pistol).

The Sparrow is slightly easier to clean than the Spectre and is shorter (but slightly wider). And considering I've never seen a .22 can that was easier to take apart when dirty, the Sparrow a great can and I would love to have one. But the Spectre is cheaper, almost as easy to take apart and clean, has less first round pop, and is slightly quieter, so I'd choose the Spectre if I could only have one .22 can.

DPris · October 29, 2013, 10:41 AM

I know there are other preferences, but that first-round-pop issue has no importance to me.

Not all that much difference.

I like the convenience of the Sparrow & you're not going to get "Hollywood Quiet" anyway.

The Sparrow allows use of the sights & reduces the sound enough to shoot without plugs, which is all I care about.
Does not affect accuracy, velocity, or point of aim.
Denis

Theohazard · October 29, 2013, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dpris

Not all that much difference.

To be fair, there IS a difference when it comes to first round pop; the first round out of a Sparrow is noticeably louder than with a baffle-stack can like the Spectre. But the question is: does it matter to the user? Some people don't care about FRP, but some do. And for those who don't care, the Sparrow is a terrific can.

Like I said, I'd love to have one. But I think I'd buy a Spectre first.

weblance · October 29, 2013, 03:11 PM

The Sparrows FRP is quickly, and easily done away with, with a short spritz of water from a nasal spray bottle. Sure, it should be mentioned when comparing suppressors, but its a non-issue.

scsov509 · October 29, 2013, 03:16 PM

The Huntertown Arms Guardian is another great rimfire suppressor to consider with the specific criteria you identified. They are a well constructed can with an exceptionally good warranty at a great price as well.

Crunchy Frog · October 29, 2013, 07:35 PM

Innovative Arms Apex rimfire suppressor, MSRP $299 but I got even better pricing from one of their local dealers: http://allenarmstactical.com/rimfire.php

Theohazard · October 29, 2013, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weblance

The Sparrows FRP is quickly, and easily done away with, with a short spritz of water from a nasal spray bottle. Sure, it should be mentioned when comparing suppressors, but its a non-issue.

Yeah, I know a few people with Sparrows who do that, but most don't care enough to even bother. And I know some people who use that trick on other cans and then put a piece of tape over the end of the suppressor to make it last longer, but that doesn't work well on the Sparrow due to the end cap design.

And I agree that it's a non-issue for many people, but for some people it IS an issue and they don't want to have to bother with the spray; they just want it to be quieter for the first shot. It just comes down to personal preference; for most people it's a non-issue and for some it's an issue.

OcelotZ3 · October 29, 2013, 10:34 PM

I opted for the Sparrow, for the exact same pistol to start with.

The Sparrow was $250 and I thought that was pretty reasonable.

Coach Z · October 29, 2013, 10:44 PM

Another vote for the sparrow, own one and its a great little can.For shooting dirty .22 ammo I don't think you will find a more functional design.

Good luck with whichever you choose but be very careful, they are like pringles. NO ONE gets just one suppressor!

shortwave · October 29, 2013, 11:07 PM

Man I wish we could use suppressors here in Ohio.

DPris · October 30, 2013, 12:19 AM

Theo,
I didn't say there was NO difference between FRP & subsequent shots, just not all that MUCH difference.

I don't use mine as a spook assassination tool, I just wanted a .22 pistol I can shoot without earplugs.
For me, that FRP has no importance whatever.

For others, it does.

In testing it at Silencerco's sound lab, we tried the water trick. Works, but not worth bothering with, for me.

Denis

Theohazard · October 30, 2013, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DPris

Theo,
I didn't say there was NO difference between FRP & subsequent shots, just not all that MUCH difference.

Sorry about that.

I've agonized over getting the Sparrow or the Spectre for a while now. I've shot them both a lot, taken each one apart when dirty, and used them on various hosts. I'm currently settled on the Spectre (when I get enough funds), but that could change. It doesn't help that I've played with and taken apart (but not shot) the new Tactical Solutions Axiom and it seems like an excellent design; it's got the great baffle design of the AAC Element 2 and the ease of disassembly of the Sparrow. The problem is that it's new enough that they're aren't many reviews on it yet.

Right now I'm able to postpone my decision because I'm using my Octane 9 for a .22 suppressor; it's quieter than any .22 suppressor on the market but it's also a lot bigger. I need a .22 can.

1DrnkMxR · October 30, 2013, 08:20 AM

I agree with Theohazard on the Spectre II, the way it was designed the carbon does not get build up on the inside of the can which makes it easy for the baffles to come out for cleaning. On other cans the build up can be so great you might need a wooden dowel to pound it out if you don't clean it often. JMO

IAMDEATH · October 30, 2013, 12:48 PM

I really like the sparrow from everything I've researched now my only problem is finding a dealer to purchase one. The local shops here are not the best at getting things like that. This might be a dumb question but can u purchase directly through manufacturer?

hulley · October 30, 2013, 01:34 PM

Here is my Ruger 22/45 Lite with SS Sparrow.

Yes there is a pretty good FRP but not a big deal for me. If you can, get a suppressor with stainless steel insides, should last longer than the typical aluminum cans. BTW thats the difference between a Sparrow and a SS Sparrow, also many of the cheaper cans use aluminum as baffles material which lead corrodes faster.....or so I'm told. I bought my SS Sparrow for $400 plus tax plus NFA tax.

Theohazard · October 30, 2013, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IAMDEATH

I really like the sparrow from everything I've researched now my only problem is finding a dealer to purchase one. The local shops here are not the best at getting things like that. This might be a dumb question but can u purchase directly through manufacturer?

No, unfortunately you can't. You either have to buy it online and have it shipped to your LGS, or just buy it through a LGS directly. And if you buy it online or have your LGS order it for you, it's going to add on at least three months to your wait; all transfers between manufacturers, distributors, and dealers require a BATFE form called a Form 3, and those were taking about three months before the government shutdown. Now they're delayed even longer thanks to the backlog that built up during the shutdown.

So all this means that if your online shop or your LGS's distributor has a Sparrow all ready to ship, it's still going to take at least three months until your LGS receives it and you can even start your Form 4 paperwork that's taking at least 9 months to come in right now. So if you're looking to get this suppressor as quickly as possible, you have to find a dealer that has one in stock. Make sure they actually have one; lots of shops will act like they do, but then they just add yours to an order, wait a few months until the order is big enough for a bulk discount, then they order a bunch of suppressors from their distributor all at once, which will then take an additional three months to come in thanks to the Form 3 delay.

Also, it's very unlikely you're going to find a current-generation Sparrow for $250 like OcelotZ3 mentioned in Post #11; that's WAY below most dealer's wholesale cost. MSRP is $499.99 and you're usually not going to pay much less than that at most stocking dealers. You can get a better price if you order it online or have a non-stocking dealer add it to a bulk order, but that means you're waiting a LOT longer for it.

IAMDEATH · October 30, 2013, 02:46 PM

Thanks a lot theohazard and everyone else for the info you have all helped me make a decision and I appreciate it now just gotta get one cuz it's eating at me to start shooting suppressed.

weblance · October 30, 2013, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shortwave

Man I wish we could use suppressors here in Ohio.

Huh? Suppressors are legal in Ohio, and have been for years. As are ALL NFA items.

shortwave · October 31, 2013, 07:52 AM

Quote:

Huh? Suppressors are legal in Ohio, and have been for years. As are ALL NFA items

weblance,

Are they legal without having a class three lic. ?

What kind of hoops do we have to jump thru to own them?

Too, do you happen to have any reference on the laws?

I just always thought(apparently ignorantly) that suppressor's were illegal in Ohio and therefore don't know much about them. But would love to get one for a .22 to shoot varmints here at night.

Theohazard · October 31, 2013, 09:15 AM

Shortwave: the whole "you need a class 3 license to own a silencer" myth is just that; a myth. Check out my list of common silencer myths over in the NFA forum. It has some of the other info you were looking for as well.

shortwave · October 31, 2013, 10:49 AM

Thanks Theo... will do.

And Thank you as well weblance for putting my boots on the right feet.

shortwave · October 31, 2013, 10:59 AM

Theohazard

After viewing your post you referred me to, I must say that you did a superb job with the post.
Very informative, well written and a pleasure to read.

Kudo's to ya and...

... Thanks again.

October 29, 2013, 03:22 AM	#4
Theohazard Senior Member Join Date: April 19, 2012 Location: Western PA Posts: 3,829	Considering this is about silencers, it should be in the NFA forum. I love the Sparrow, but if the primary host is a pistol I'd get a Spectre II. The Sparrow is super-quiet, but the Spectre is slightly quieter (especially on a pistol) and has much less first round pop; that's the main disadvantage of a monocore design like the Sparrow: more first round pop (the first shot is noticeably louder than subsequent shots; this is especially noticeable when shooting the Sparrow on a pistol). The Sparrow is slightly easier to clean than the Spectre and is shorter (but slightly wider). And considering I've never seen a .22 can that was easier to take apart when dirty, the Sparrow a great can and I would love to have one. But the Spectre is cheaper, almost as easy to take apart and clean, has less first round pop, and is slightly quieter, so I'd choose the Spectre if I could only have one .22 can. __________________ 0331: "Accuracy by volume."

October 29, 2013, 10:44 PM	#12
Coach Z Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 2011 Location: RI Posts: 795	Another vote for the sparrow, own one and its a great little can.For shooting dirty .22 ammo I don't think you will find a more functional design. Good luck with whichever you choose but be very careful, they are like pringles. NO ONE gets just one suppressor! __________________ Love my guns

October 30, 2013, 01:34 PM	#18
hulley Senior Member Join Date: November 9, 2008 Location: Hoschton, Ga. Posts: 726	Here is my Ruger 22/45 Lite with SS Sparrow. Yes there is a pretty good FRP but not a big deal for me. If you can, get a suppressor with stainless steel insides, should last longer than the typical aluminum cans. BTW thats the difference between a Sparrow and a SS Sparrow, also many of the cheaper cans use aluminum as baffles material which lead corrodes faster.....or so I'm told. I bought my SS Sparrow for $400 plus tax plus NFA tax. __________________ Nov 2, 2011 sent form 4, SS Sparrow. Arrived May 29, 2012. Jan 30, 2012 sent form 1 for SBR. Arrived July 12, 2012 Jan 22, 2013 Sent form 4, 762-SDN-6. Arrived Sept 13, 2013

October 31, 2013, 09:15 AM	#23
Theohazard Senior Member Join Date: April 19, 2012 Location: Western PA Posts: 3,829	Shortwave: the whole "you need a class 3 license to own a silencer" myth is just that; a myth. Check out my list of common silencer myths over in the NFA forum. It has some of the other info you were looking for as well. __________________ 0331: "Accuracy by volume."

October 28, 2013, 06:47 PM	#1
IAMDEATH Member Join Date: May 17, 2012 Posts: 28	Ruger 22/45 suppressor I don't know if this is the right forum for this..I recently purchased a Ruger 22/45 with the threaded barrel and I've been watching videos on YouTube of how well the shoot supressed. Does anyone know of a well made suppresesor that won't break the bank since I also will end up paying the $200 tax stamp fee.

October 28, 2013, 11:30 PM	#2
DPris Member Emeritus Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 7,133	Silencerco Sparrow. Well-made & easy to break down for cleaning. I like mine, average sound reduction of about 36 DB. You can find some slightly quieter, but the Sparrow gets the job done. Denis

October 29, 2013, 12:53 AM	#3
bt380 Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2012 Posts: 331	Guns & Ammo magazine http://www.gunsandammo.com/2013/09/2...lencer-review/ - The front page is of a silencer available in .22lr, .223,.308, 9mm from Sig Sauer. http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProdu...lr-sig-sd.aspx

October 29, 2013, 10:41 AM	#5
DPris Member Emeritus Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 7,133	I know there are other preferences, but that first-round-pop issue has no importance to me. Not all that much difference. I like the convenience of the Sparrow & you're not going to get "Hollywood Quiet" anyway. The Sparrow allows use of the sights & reduces the sound enough to shoot without plugs, which is all I care about. Does not affect accuracy, velocity, or point of aim. Denis

October 29, 2013, 03:11 PM	#7
weblance Senior Member Join Date: October 3, 2012 Posts: 1,229	The Sparrows FRP is quickly, and easily done away with, with a short spritz of water from a nasal spray bottle. Sure, it should be mentioned when comparing suppressors, but its a non-issue.

October 29, 2013, 03:16 PM	#8
scsov509 Senior Member Join Date: November 22, 2006 Posts: 819	The Huntertown Arms Guardian is another great rimfire suppressor to consider with the specific criteria you identified. They are a well constructed can with an exceptionally good warranty at a great price as well.

October 29, 2013, 07:35 PM	#9
Crunchy Frog Senior Member Join Date: December 26, 2008 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 591	Innovative Arms Apex rimfire suppressor, MSRP $299 but I got even better pricing from one of their local dealers: http://allenarmstactical.com/rimfire.php

October 29, 2013, 10:34 PM	#11
OcelotZ3 Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2008 Posts: 229	I opted for the Sparrow, for the exact same pistol to start with. The Sparrow was $250 and I thought that was pretty reasonable.

October 29, 2013, 11:07 PM	#13
shortwave Senior Member Join Date: December 17, 2007 Location: SOUTHEAST, OHIO Posts: 5,970	Man I wish we could use suppressors here in Ohio.

October 30, 2013, 12:19 AM	#14
DPris Member Emeritus Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 7,133	Theo, I didn't say there was NO difference between FRP & subsequent shots, just not all that MUCH difference. I don't use mine as a spook assassination tool, I just wanted a .22 pistol I can shoot without earplugs. For me, that FRP has no importance whatever. For others, it does. In testing it at Silencerco's sound lab, we tried the water trick. Works, but not worth bothering with, for me. Denis

October 30, 2013, 08:20 AM	#16
1DrnkMxR Member Join Date: July 11, 2012 Location: CinSity,NV Posts: 86	I agree with Theohazard on the Spectre II, the way it was designed the carbon does not get build up on the inside of the can which makes it easy for the baffles to come out for cleaning. On other cans the build up can be so great you might need a wooden dowel to pound it out if you don't clean it often. JMO

October 30, 2013, 12:48 PM	#17
IAMDEATH Member Join Date: May 17, 2012 Posts: 28	I really like the sparrow from everything I've researched now my only problem is finding a dealer to purchase one. The local shops here are not the best at getting things like that. This might be a dumb question but can u purchase directly through manufacturer?

October 30, 2013, 02:46 PM	#20
IAMDEATH Member Join Date: May 17, 2012 Posts: 28	Thanks a lot theohazard and everyone else for the info you have all helped me make a decision and I appreciate it now just gotta get one cuz it's eating at me to start shooting suppressed.

October 31, 2013, 10:49 AM	#24
shortwave Senior Member Join Date: December 17, 2007 Location: SOUTHEAST, OHIO Posts: 5,970	Thanks Theo... will do. And Thank you as well weblance for putting my boots on the right feet.

October 31, 2013, 10:59 AM	#25
shortwave Senior Member Join Date: December 17, 2007 Location: SOUTHEAST, OHIO Posts: 5,970	Theohazard After viewing your post you referred me to, I must say that you did a superb job with the post. Very informative, well written and a pleasure to read. Kudo's to ya and... ... Thanks again.