What is a "Hog Shield"? GREAT PIC!

hogdogs · September 14, 2011, 07:36 PM

We have mentioned the shield on a hog and that it can be very thick and very hard to penetrate...
This pic is of a couple hog doggers, their dogs and one big ol' warrior boar hog. It shows the massive area the shield covers. I am guessing this shield would easily exceed 3 inches thick and could easily be 5+ inches thick.

I am not in the pic and not my dogs... I am using the pic with permission of one of the 2 involved...

Brent

mete · September 14, 2011, 07:42 PM

5 " ?? I've seen photos of 2" but I doubt it could be much more .But it's very tough stuff and that's why they recommend heavy tough bullets for the real northern European boar.

hogdogs · September 14, 2011, 07:55 PM

Mete, I assure you 2 inch is a routine thickness on a younger smaller boar.

3 inch is common on larger boars but this one is extreme in compare to even those...

The round is a .222 and the shield is from a quite small younger boar...

The guy who posted this is a NZ hog dogger. As he says, "How tuff is the shied?... Tuff enuff tht you can hammer a nail into wood using it as a hammer...

(Misspellin' is all mine...)

Brent

buck460XVR · September 14, 2011, 08:03 PM

Your buddies have pretty blank expressions on their faces. Just sayin'.

hogdogs · September 14, 2011, 08:07 PM

Yeah buck, I promised to maintain their anonymity for permission to use the pic. Many hog doggers, with good reason, don't want the general public knowin who hunts hogs with dogs...
Often we do it solely for the sport but it is often a service to landowners... even though feral hog control with dogs is VERY productive, we are frowned upon (understatement) by many.

Brent

mete · September 15, 2011, 02:58 AM

Do they normally use that 222 on a boar like that ? What bullet ?

hogdogs · September 15, 2011, 09:59 AM

The .222 was used just as a size reference... I don't know any folks who shoot hogs personally... We all catch and tie or catch and stick with a knife.

This hog was released... But one with less shoulder caught by the guy in red had a shield that the taxidermist measured at 4 5/8ths inch thick... He read this thread and told me to let you know...

Brent

FrontSight · September 15, 2011, 01:13 PM

Wwwwwoooooowww, that is one mean, nasty looking Wilbur! I can't tell if it's alive or dead, though...

Oh, nevermind, I saw that this one was released...

markj · September 15, 2011, 02:58 PM

Why do you release em if they are such a problem? Heck butcher him soak the meat in cream for awhile and smoke him up... they dont eat bad stuff in the wild. Might be better for a person then store bought.

hogdogs · September 15, 2011, 03:48 PM

He is very much alive in the pic...

As for releasing... These guys may release if they are hunting public lands. I asked about this particular hog and was told he wasn't released to do more damage to the nearby farm lands...

They get on enuff pork to be choosy with the meat hogs...

Brent

rickyrick · September 15, 2011, 04:48 PM

Yes he's alive LOL, And can you see his shifty-beady eyes looking at the camera man with hate?

Kudos to you guys that catch them live, I woulda crapped myself.

He would have died bravely in a hail of gun fire LOL.

Those Florida pigs are definately impressive.

hogdogs · September 15, 2011, 04:51 PM

Ricky, them are bama boys and that is a corn field raider from south bama... Those 2 in the pic hunt the river delta of south bama a ton and are always gettin' on large unts there too.

But we do grow 'em big in pockets all over... Some of the fattest I seen were peanut field rooters.

Brent

hogdogs · September 15, 2011, 04:55 PM

And yeah... he is dreamin' of a chance to get on that camera man!

Brent

warbirdlover · September 15, 2011, 05:33 PM

I think you'd need some "armor piercing" ammo for that thing. Geez.

Double Naught Spy · September 15, 2011, 05:39 PM

When domestics get some much fat and rolls on them, it can be hard to tell just how much and what is or is not shield. No doubt he has some thick shield on him, but he has a lot of fat as well. Heck, it almost looks like he has shielding on his bum, but of course it doesn't occur there, LOL.

Too bad the ear notching can't be traced back to the original owner.

hogdogs · September 15, 2011, 07:10 PM

DNS, That ear notching can be from injury due to being dogged in the past or bit by hogs during boar fights. Intentional notching isn't done on the ear tips by anyone that knows hogs. Ear notching was mainly done when hogs were "free ranged" then gathered later for slaughter...

He isn't likely an escapee from a hog farm. These guys in this pic will quickly state if they think he were a domestic born hog. Few are left as boars but nearly every barn born pig has his teeth broke and tail will be docked.

These guys would never be proud of a barn yard pig like them 2 story book shooters proven to be lying hoaxers.

Brent

bamaranger · September 16, 2011, 12:46 AM

For a great pic. You let that monster go?

HOw much would you estimate that hog weighed???

rickyrick · September 16, 2011, 10:21 AM

My bad on the 'bama pig LOL, anything with trees over 4ft tall looks like a swamp or jungle to me LOL

hogdogs · September 16, 2011, 11:10 AM

Ricky, them guys have some TENACIOUS swamps there... We just never think of bama that way...

Every year, they come to FLA and hunt with some guys that think it is bad land and these guys go there "for some easy huntin'..."

On the delta, some times there ain't a tree thick enuff or tall enuff to climb and they still release...

They like to bay, catch, tip and tie... take pics and "Turn 'em 'a loose"

when on the delta marshes... Lots of thick deep muck hikin' back to where the boat is beached...

As for weight... he is ALL OF 375-450 I am guessin'... Lots of dense muscle and that shield material is VERY HEAVY stuff!
Brent

markj · September 16, 2011, 04:32 PM

Quote:

were peanut field rooters

That should make some good tasting meat Iwould think. I cook and eat a lot of pork, make the best pulled pork sandwhich around. Folks hire me to do their events and I will cook up 200 lbs boneless for em. Sure want to get ahold of one of them hogs. Bet they are as tasty as the spanish hogs eat oak nuts

Double Naught Spy · September 16, 2011, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Intentional notching isn't done on the ear tips by anyone that knows hogs. Ear notching was mainly done when hogs were "free ranged" then gathered later for slaughter...

Actually Brent, this is wrong. Ear notching can and is often done near the tips including removal of the tips. It is done for producing hogs and not just for "free ranged" hogs, by people who know what they are doing as well.

http://aces.nmsu.edu/pubs/_b/b-602.pdf
http://www.ianr.unl.edu/ianr/anisci/swine/nf93-113.htm
agsc.tamu.edu/lessonplan/file.asp?ID=1020&clm=3

Ear notching isn't just to identify ownership of the pig, but particular litters and individuals within litters such that each pig can be properly identified as per status (age, sex, shots, medical treatments, etc.).

hogdogs · September 16, 2011, 07:42 PM

Well thanks... I thought it was a lost practice...
Brent

JACK308 · September 16, 2011, 08:16 PM

that a big piggy!

swopjan · September 18, 2011, 03:19 AM

this may be a naive question, but, where are you supposed to shoot it?

Double Naught Spy · September 18, 2011, 12:07 PM

Head (brain), behind the ear (brain stem, spine), neck, heart/lungs area, liver area (may be a decent tracking job). Nothing really changes on a pig from other animals in terms of placement, but if shooting through a thick shield, you might do better with a better caliber choice. Shields aren't magic and not bullet proof, but they do well with some smaller and some slower calibers.

September 14, 2011, 07:36 PM	#1
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	What is a "Hog Shield"? GREAT PIC! We have mentioned the shield on a hog and that it can be very thick and very hard to penetrate... This pic is of a couple hog doggers, their dogs and one big ol' warrior boar hog. It shows the massive area the shield covers. I am guessing this shield would easily exceed 3 inches thick and could easily be 5+ inches thick. I am not in the pic and not my dogs... I am using the pic with permission of one of the 2 involved... Brent

September 14, 2011, 07:42 PM	#2
mete Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: NY State Posts: 6,575	5 " ?? I've seen photos of 2" but I doubt it could be much more .But it's very tough stuff and that's why they recommend heavy tough bullets for the real northern European boar. __________________ And Watson , bring your revolver !

September 15, 2011, 02:58 AM	#6
mete Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: NY State Posts: 6,575	Do they normally use that 222 on a boar like that ? What bullet ? __________________ And Watson , bring your revolver !

September 15, 2011, 01:13 PM	#8
FrontSight Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2005 Posts: 1,712	Wwwwwoooooowww, that is one mean, nasty looking Wilbur! I can't tell if it's alive or dead, though... Oh, nevermind, I saw that this one was released... __________________ To kill something as great as a duck just to smell the gunpowder is a crime against nature. - Alan Liere Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. - George Bernard Shaw Last edited by FrontSight; September 15, 2011 at 01:45 PM.

September 15, 2011, 04:48 PM	#11
rickyrick Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2010 Posts: 8,238	Yes he's alive LOL, And can you see his shifty-beady eyes looking at the camera man with hate? Kudos to you guys that catch them live, I woulda crapped myself. He would have died bravely in a hail of gun fire LOL. Those Florida pigs are definately impressive. __________________ Woohoo, I’m back In Texas!!!

September 14, 2011, 07:55 PM	#3
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	Mete, I assure you 2 inch is a routine thickness on a younger smaller boar. 3 inch is common on larger boars but this one is extreme in compare to even those... The round is a .222 and the shield is from a quite small younger boar... The guy who posted this is a NZ hog dogger. As he says, "How tuff is the shied?... Tuff enuff tht you can hammer a nail into wood using it as a hammer... (Misspellin' is all mine...) Brent

September 14, 2011, 08:03 PM	#4
buck460XVR Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 2006 Posts: 4,342	Your buddies have pretty blank expressions on their faces. Just sayin'.

September 14, 2011, 08:07 PM	#5
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	Yeah buck, I promised to maintain their anonymity for permission to use the pic. Many hog doggers, with good reason, don't want the general public knowin who hunts hogs with dogs... Often we do it solely for the sport but it is often a service to landowners... even though feral hog control with dogs is VERY productive, we are frowned upon (understatement) by many. Brent

September 15, 2011, 09:59 AM	#7
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	The .222 was used just as a size reference... I don't know any folks who shoot hogs personally... We all catch and tie or catch and stick with a knife. This hog was released... But one with less shoulder caught by the guy in red had a shield that the taxidermist measured at 4 5/8ths inch thick... He read this thread and told me to let you know... Brent

September 15, 2011, 02:58 PM	#9
markj Senior Member Join Date: October 27, 2005 Location: Crescent Iowa Posts: 2,971	Why do you release em if they are such a problem? Heck butcher him soak the meat in cream for awhile and smoke him up... they dont eat bad stuff in the wild. Might be better for a person then store bought.

September 15, 2011, 03:48 PM	#10
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	He is very much alive in the pic... As for releasing... These guys may release if they are hunting public lands. I asked about this particular hog and was told he wasn't released to do more damage to the nearby farm lands... They get on enuff pork to be choosy with the meat hogs... Brent

September 15, 2011, 04:51 PM	#12
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	Ricky, them are bama boys and that is a corn field raider from south bama... Those 2 in the pic hunt the river delta of south bama a ton and are always gettin' on large unts there too. But we do grow 'em big in pockets all over... Some of the fattest I seen were peanut field rooters. Brent

September 15, 2011, 04:55 PM	#13
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	And yeah... he is dreamin' of a chance to get on that camera man! Brent

September 15, 2011, 05:33 PM	#14
warbirdlover Senior Member Join Date: December 13, 2009 Location: central Wisconsin Posts: 2,324	I think you'd need some "armor piercing" ammo for that thing. Geez.

September 15, 2011, 05:39 PM	#15
Double Naught Spy Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Forestburg, Montague Cnty, TX Posts: 12,717	When domestics get some much fat and rolls on them, it can be hard to tell just how much and what is or is not shield. No doubt he has some thick shield on him, but he has a lot of fat as well. Heck, it almost looks like he has shielding on his bum, but of course it doesn't occur there, LOL. Too bad the ear notching can't be traced back to the original owner. __________________ "If you look through your scope and see your shoe, aim higher." -- said to me by my 11 year old daughter before going out for hogs 8/13/2011 My Hunting Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/HornHillRange

September 15, 2011, 07:10 PM	#16
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	DNS, That ear notching can be from injury due to being dogged in the past or bit by hogs during boar fights. Intentional notching isn't done on the ear tips by anyone that knows hogs. Ear notching was mainly done when hogs were "free ranged" then gathered later for slaughter... He isn't likely an escapee from a hog farm. These guys in this pic will quickly state if they think he were a domestic born hog. Few are left as boars but nearly every barn born pig has his teeth broke and tail will be docked. These guys would never be proud of a barn yard pig like them 2 story book shooters proven to be lying hoaxers. Brent

September 16, 2011, 12:46 AM	#17
bamaranger Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2009 Location: North Alabama Posts: 8,312	thanks For a great pic. You let that monster go? HOw much would you estimate that hog weighed???

September 16, 2011, 10:21 AM	#18
rickyrick Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2010 Posts: 8,238	My bad on the 'bama pig LOL, anything with trees over 4ft tall looks like a swamp or jungle to me LOL __________________ Woohoo, I’m back In Texas!!!

September 16, 2011, 11:10 AM	#19
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	Ricky, them guys have some TENACIOUS swamps there... We just never think of bama that way... Every year, they come to FLA and hunt with some guys that think it is bad land and these guys go there "for some easy huntin'..." On the delta, some times there ain't a tree thick enuff or tall enuff to climb and they still release... They like to bay, catch, tip and tie... take pics and "Turn 'em 'a loose" when on the delta marshes... Lots of thick deep muck hikin' back to where the boat is beached... As for weight... he is ALL OF 375-450 I am guessin'... Lots of dense muscle and that shield material is VERY HEAVY stuff! Brent

September 16, 2011, 07:42 PM	#22
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	Well thanks... I thought it was a lost practice... Brent

September 16, 2011, 08:16 PM	#23
JACK308 Junior member Join Date: July 10, 2011 Posts: 377	that a big piggy!

September 18, 2011, 03:19 AM	#24
swopjan Senior Member Join Date: August 12, 2011 Posts: 156	this may be a naive question, but, where are you supposed to shoot it?

September 18, 2011, 12:07 PM	#25
Double Naught Spy Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Forestburg, Montague Cnty, TX Posts: 12,717	Head (brain), behind the ear (brain stem, spine), neck, heart/lungs area, liver area (may be a decent tracking job). Nothing really changes on a pig from other animals in terms of placement, but if shooting through a thick shield, you might do better with a better caliber choice. Shields aren't magic and not bullet proof, but they do well with some smaller and some slower calibers. __________________ "If you look through your scope and see your shoe, aim higher." -- said to me by my 11 year old daughter before going out for hogs 8/13/2011 My Hunting Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/HornHillRange