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June 4, 2013, 02:32 PM | #26 |
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The only time I got stopped (TX) I informed the officers and had no problem. My firearm, a 642, was in a fanny pack on the floor. One officer went back to run my plates. The other officer asked for it, my wife handed it to him, he unloaded it and when he finished he gave me the gun back and said load it before I drove off.
I got a warning. That was about 15 years ago, and the last time I got stopped. Jerry
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June 4, 2013, 03:30 PM | #27 | |
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I'm in the camp 'To Inform'. Never had an issue. I just keep my hands visible, inform the officer I;m armed nad tell him "It's 'here' and my wallet is 'here'."
Many ask if I'm planning on shooting them and when I say NO, they generally smile and say to leave it in the holster. The cops that give people a hard time are the ones that 'discover' the firearm, and the ones that come from states that 'pride' themselves on making weapons arrests, permit of not. This makes the stats look good in places like Chicago when the report is filed even when no charges are filed. Of course, in Va., I'm sure all officers assume all citizens are armed and base their actions on ours. Smile, they smile. Inform, they're OK. Don't inform and they assume you also have something else to hide. This from the UTAH BCI site: Quote:
My LEO son goes into defensive mode if he isn't informed and is relaxed when informed. Your choice.
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June 4, 2013, 07:56 PM | #28 |
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Been pulled over twice since receiving my CCL.
Each time I have all windows down, engine dead and hands on the wheel. I let HIM make the contact and then explain I'm a CCL holder and have a weapon either on my person or within my reach. Each time the officer has asked where it was and I TELL him, not SHOW him. First time the officer said he thought my side window tint was too dark. I had just purchased the car and he said get it fixed. Second time the officer pulled me over for 61 in a 55. After the CCL exchange, he told me to watch the speed, but wanted to know what the heck I was driving. CTS-V, sir. Is it fast? It'll do, in a pinch. laughed and said be careful and let me hear it. I obliged ... |
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June 5, 2013, 09:12 AM | #30 |
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The last speeding ticket I got was several years back and in Colorado. (I have a TX drivers license and CHL.) I handed the officer my DL and CHL just like I would in Texas. He just handed the CHL back to me and said I didn't have to give him that.
I mailed the check to pay for the speeding ticket after I got home.
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June 5, 2013, 02:21 PM | #31 | |
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No harm done; .... Right ???
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June 5, 2013, 02:42 PM | #32 | |
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If not informed and he spots it when the driver moves around, or it's visible in the glove box when the driver opens it. These are a couple of examples he mentioned.
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June 5, 2013, 03:44 PM | #33 |
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A friend who is a LEO told me that when he checks the computer it is going to show whether you have a permit or not. In TN you are not required to inform but he said it's always a good idea to let them know on the front end because he is going to find out either way and if you haven't told him, he is put on the defensive and suspicion is up. He also said since the drivers license number and carry permit number are the same that I could just hand the permit over when asked for the DL.
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June 5, 2013, 05:00 PM | #34 | |
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'Caution' is always appropriate. 'Suspicion' regarding someone who has met those requirements seems odd, to me. (Also, I cannot pass without noting that ZZ Top has apparently dissolved, as Bill Gibbons is now Commissioner of the Tennessee Department of Safety and Homeland Security.)
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June 5, 2013, 05:56 PM | #35 |
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My ...renewed... CCW says this:
As mentioned before in Ohio when they run your plate, which is done before they approach you, it comes up that you're a CCL holder. You might as well tell them. Since its required there could be a fine or even lose CCL. For the violation. This may also be implemented in other states that require notification
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June 6, 2013, 01:08 PM | #38 |
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Do the right thing !!
Ya know, a very important question to ask, is whether or not, the LEO, has a right to know that you are carrying and the sooner, the better. By my measure, the answer is very clear;
ABSOLUTELY !! .... Be Safe !!!
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June 6, 2013, 02:18 PM | #39 |
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My ...renewed... CCW says this:
I thought it was the plate, as I was told, but it could be the DL or both? It very well could be the DL though since that is what is used when getting CCL. You could always be driving some else's car.
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June 8, 2013, 12:43 AM | #40 |
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In my job I interact with LE several times a month. If it's not obvious (sometimes we OC) I always inform them. We usually work with the same officers or constable so they already know. I consider it common courtesy. I like to know who's got a gun around me, I assume they do to. And while I hope it never necessary we may be backing each other up.
I've never been pulled over while armed so I haven't faced a cop as a scofflaw. (I drive so fast they've never been able to catch me. ) Last edited by myusername; June 8, 2013 at 12:50 AM. |
June 8, 2013, 04:21 PM | #41 |
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My understanding of TN law is that carry permit holders are under no legal obligation to inform. But, the permit number and the driver's license number are the same and the CP will show up when the DL is run.
As a practical matter, what happens if I don't show my CP depends on the individual officer. According to my CP instructor, some officers become very upset and the encounter may become more unpleasant than otherwise. I keep my CP and DL together and will had them to the LEO when stopped. This is the procedure the instructor recommended. He said definitely don't just say, "I've got a gun." |
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the 4A states we have a "Right" to be silent about or private affairs under most circumstances. No? Now, please explain why my carry has anything to do with any contact with LE that does not involve criminal activity? I have carried for 43 years, I have never "informed" (other than I usually OC and they can see my carry, no license required in this state) I have never been asked for my CPL, and I have never had anyone attempt to seize my weapon. (I did have one deputy (while on foot) say "nice gun, what is it" I am of the opinion that if I am armed or not have no more relevance than if I am wearing underwear, or not. The only time it becomes relevant is when the carry is used for defense of myself, or someone else close by (could be a LEo, could be anyone that needs assistance with a dangerous aggressor. |
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Take a higher road !!!
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June 8, 2013, 08:25 PM | #44 |
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If it is state law to inform, I will inform until the law is changed. If it is not state law to inform, I will not inform. If they want to look at my hip, they can see my carry, I do not hide it.
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June 10, 2013, 10:32 PM | #47 |
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Contacts with LE officers....
I'd check with your areas LE agency or crime prevention office. They may or may not be aware of the state law changes.
I've seen a few Youtube clips of traffic stops & "field interviews" where the officer or deputy acted in a unprofessional way. FWIW, a few others show cops who were highly professional & fully versed in the state firearm laws. In general, Id remain calm, do not use humor or sarcasism, when you provide your DL or ID explain that you have a valid carry license or permit then explain that you have a loaded firearm on you. If you can video or document the contact to be able clearly show you acted IAW the state law/ordinance & the sworn LE officer can't create a "he said this, I said that" situation. Some troopers & police officers do that in field interviews. To request a watch commander or patrol supervisor come to the scene may help too. A incident in the late 1990s/early 2000s in Orange County FL involved a off duty, armed Major from the Miami area having a spat with a Orange County deputy. The events could have been far better for both sides if they were more mature & respectful. ClydeFrog |
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Has anyone here ever been ticketed for driving the speed limit? That's in good weather of course. We should all know the limit is set as a maximum allowed speed in good driving conditions. Being a safe driver and obeying the traffic laws remains the best way to avoid having a law enforcement officer ask you for your ID. But even the safest driver can be involved in an accident or happen to be driving a vehicle similar to one that's being sought.
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June 11, 2013, 08:57 PM | #50 |
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Gawd I love Arizona. No permit needed to carry concealed, no duty to inform.
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