45 auto primer size choice, buying brass - Page 2

Shadow9mm · November 15, 2022, 03:26 PM

Well i ordered 200 once fired small primers. And i have close to 100 large primer range pickup. I will work up some loads side by side and see if i can discern any difference in velocity or consistency. But im thinking small primer will be the way to go gor me.I

**Unclenick** · November 15, 2022, 09:24 PM

Let us know how it goes!

std7mag · November 20, 2022, 08:27 AM

In a pistol, i'm thinking your not going to be able to discern any quantifiable difference between large & small PISTOL primers.

It's not like your shooting a 75lb rail gun whose accuracy is measured in hundredths, or thousandths of an inch.

I shoot both primer sizes in my 45s. Haven't seen any difference in accuracy or failure to fire in different temperatures.

Use what you want to use.

For me, i prefer the large primers, as otherwise i'm going through small primers that much quicker while loading 9mm & 38 SPCL.

Shadow9mm · November 20, 2022, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by std7mag

In a pistol, i'm thinking your not going to be able to discern any quantifiable difference between large & small PISTOL primers.

It's not like your shooting a 75lb rail gun whose accuracy is measured in hundredths, or thousandths of an inch.

I shoot both primer sizes in my 45s. Haven't seen any difference in accuracy or failure to fire in different temperatures.

Use what you want to use.

For me, i prefer the large primers, as otherwise i'm going through small primers that much quicker while loading 9mm & 38 SPCL.

I would prefer small primers. I load for 9mm, 38spl, 357 mag, smd 223. I use small pistol primers when i can get them but have had to use small rifle for everything for a bit now. I do have about 1000 large pistol primers from when i used yo load for 44spl. Figured i could do some testing and use them up. But i just dont really want to have to stock large pistol primers going forward if i can get away with it. I would prefer to use large pistol, i just cant get around how impractical it is based on my current situation.

Sevens · November 20, 2022, 12:09 PM

Unless I'm missing something, I can't agree that it is impractical. While all four primer sizes are tough gets, small pistol primers are with no doubt the most difficult primer to get, they are in the most demand.

If you roll with LP, you will need to stock a different sized primer but it will be a size that is arguably easier to get and even you yourself won't need to use as often.

If you ever dabble in 10mm, .41 Mag, .44 Special or Mag or .45 Colt, you are able to jump right in, having LP primers on hand.

**44 AMP** · November 20, 2022, 12:19 PM

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Well i ordered 200 once fired small primers.

What are you going to do with 200 fired small primers???

Marco Califo · November 20, 2022, 01:16 PM

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Well i ordered 200 once fired small primers. And i have close to 100 large primer range pickup.

I will be happy to send you once fired primers, large and small pistol. But you have to pay postage.

Shadow9mm · November 20, 2022, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 44 AMP

What are you going to do with 200 fired small primers???

Once fired small primer brass, not the primers themselves.

**44 AMP** · November 20, 2022, 04:49 PM

gotcha,

Shadow9mm · November 20, 2022, 05:05 PM

I figured, but it was a good one.

seanc · November 21, 2022, 11:41 AM

I just picked up some more LPP. Since I have both small and large primer brass, I'll load my next batch in LPP and save the SPP for my 9mm. It's good to have options! Get and save both.

The LPPs I just picked up were magnum. I've been getting these for over a year here and there. Seems to be the only primers I can find in Florida at LGS's. A local mfr keeps promising to start selling surplus primers (SPP & LPP) once he has any...

Shadow9mm · November 21, 2022, 11:55 AM

got all my brass in, counted everything up. right now I have about 350pcs of SP and about 50pcs of LP.

one interesting note. While sorting my brass I noted that the SP brass had almost all the same head stamp. It would seem that using SP might have a benefit if your buying once fired as you will get les head stamp variation as there are fewer manufacturers who make it.

Marco Califo · November 21, 2022, 12:23 PM

That one headstamp is . . .Blazer, I bet.

FITASC · November 21, 2022, 01:52 PM

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The LPPs I just picked up were magnum. I've been getting these for over a year here and there. Seems to be the only primers I can find in Florida at LGS's. A local mfr keeps promising to start selling surplus primers (SPP & LPP) once he has any...

NO LGS in my area of Florida has had any primers since Covid; have to mail order and pay hazmat and freight

Shadow9mm · November 21, 2022, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Marco Califo

That one headstamp is . . .Blazer, I bet.

mostly speer actually...

rclark · November 21, 2022, 02:50 PM

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Get small primer, keep your primers the same

?? Most of my revolvers use the large primer

. At any rate, I toss any small primer .45 Auto cases or just leave on the ground... or did... I don't collect .45 Auto any more anyway, as .45 Colt does everything it can do and more. No reason to even use the .45 Auto SA cylinders from my perspective.

zeke · November 21, 2022, 06:09 PM

Would buy the large pistol primed. Eventually all my specially segregated cases get mixed in with older/range pick ups "range brass". Saves buying new brass to replenish stock. Also during the last shortages, large primers seemed easier to find, although that's just a recollection.

The only time am buying new 45 acp brass anymore is for "vermin" full powered jacketed. And haven't bought any new for quite a while.

**Unclenick** · November 23, 2022, 06:54 PM

I note that Blazer is a CCI brand, and that before it became Cascade Cartridges, Inc., CCI was Speer Cartridge Works. I wouldn't be in least surprised if the Speer ammo those cases came from was actually made by CCI on the same line they make Blazer on, but with a change in the headstamp and packaging.

Sevens · November 24, 2022, 01:42 PM

I agree -- when you see small primer .45 brass from CCI, Blazer and Speer, you can see the slight "domed" look and you can tell that it is extruded brass. It's long been my assumption that these three headstamps are all kicked from the same machines.

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November 15, 2022, 03:26 PM	#26
Shadow9mm Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2012 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 3,977	Well i ordered 200 once fired small primers. And i have close to 100 large primer range pickup. I will work up some loads side by side and see if i can discern any difference in velocity or consistency. But im thinking small primer will be the way to go gor me.I __________________ I don't believe in "range fodder" that is why I reload.

November 15, 2022, 09:24 PM	#27
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,063	Let us know how it goes! __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

November 20, 2022, 08:27 AM	#28
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,609	In a pistol, i'm thinking your not going to be able to discern any quantifiable difference between large & small PISTOL primers. It's not like your shooting a 75lb rail gun whose accuracy is measured in hundredths, or thousandths of an inch. I shoot both primer sizes in my 45s. Haven't seen any difference in accuracy or failure to fire in different temperatures. Use what you want to use. For me, i prefer the large primers, as otherwise i'm going through small primers that much quicker while loading 9mm & 38 SPCL. __________________ When our own government declares itself as "tyrannical", where does that leave us??!! "Januarary 6th insurrection". Funny, I didn't see a single piece of rope...

November 20, 2022, 12:09 PM	#30
Sevens Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 11,756	Unless I'm missing something, I can't agree that it is impractical. While all four primer sizes are tough gets, small pistol primers are with no doubt the most difficult primer to get, they are in the most demand. If you roll with LP, you will need to stock a different sized primer but it will be a size that is arguably easier to get and even you yourself won't need to use as often. If you ever dabble in 10mm, .41 Mag, .44 Special or Mag or .45 Colt, you are able to jump right in, having LP primers on hand. __________________ *Attention Brass rats and other reloaders:* I really need .327 Federal Magnum brass, no lot size too small. Tell me what caliber you need and I'll see what I have to swap. PM me and we'll discuss.

November 20, 2022, 04:49 PM	#34
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,870	gotcha, __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

November 20, 2022, 05:05 PM	#35
Shadow9mm Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2012 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 3,977	I figured, but it was a good one. __________________ I don't believe in "range fodder" that is why I reload.

November 21, 2022, 11:41 AM	#36
seanc Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 1998 Posts: 590	I just picked up some more LPP. Since I have both small and large primer brass, I'll load my next batch in LPP and save the SPP for my 9mm. It's good to have options! Get and save both. The LPPs I just picked up were magnum. I've been getting these for over a year here and there. Seems to be the only primers I can find in Florida at LGS's. A local mfr keeps promising to start selling surplus primers (SPP & LPP) once he has any...

November 21, 2022, 11:55 AM	#37
Shadow9mm Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2012 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 3,977	got all my brass in, counted everything up. right now I have about 350pcs of SP and about 50pcs of LP. one interesting note. While sorting my brass I noted that the SP brass had almost all the same head stamp. It would seem that using SP might have a benefit if your buying once fired as you will get les head stamp variation as there are fewer manufacturers who make it. __________________ I don't believe in "range fodder" that is why I reload.

November 21, 2022, 12:23 PM	#38
Marco Califo Senior Member Join Date: April 4, 2011 Location: LA (Greater Los Angeles Area) Posts: 2,602	That one headstamp is . . .Blazer, I bet. __________________ ............

November 21, 2022, 06:09 PM	#42
zeke Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 1999 Location: NW Wi Posts: 1,671	Would buy the large pistol primed. Eventually all my specially segregated cases get mixed in with older/range pick ups "range brass". Saves buying new brass to replenish stock. Also during the last shortages, large primers seemed easier to find, although that's just a recollection. The only time am buying new 45 acp brass anymore is for "vermin" full powered jacketed. And haven't bought any new for quite a while.

November 23, 2022, 06:54 PM	#43
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,063	I note that Blazer is a CCI brand, and that before it became Cascade Cartridges, Inc., CCI was Speer Cartridge Works. I wouldn't be in least surprised if the Speer ammo those cases came from was actually made by CCI on the same line they make Blazer on, but with a change in the headstamp and packaging. __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

November 24, 2022, 01:42 PM	#44
Sevens Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 11,756	I agree -- when you see small primer .45 brass from CCI, Blazer and Speer, you can see the slight "domed" look and you can tell that it is extruded brass. It's long been my assumption that these three headstamps are all kicked from the same machines. __________________ *Attention Brass rats and other reloaders:* I really need .327 Federal Magnum brass, no lot size too small. Tell me what caliber you need and I'll see what I have to swap. PM me and we'll discuss.