Bullet Mold Sizes

BlackPowderBen · June 17, 2015, 07:03 AM

Hi, Will a .445 diameter, 245 gram Conical bullet fit in a 1858 remington .44?

noelf2 · June 17, 2015, 08:12 AM

No. A 245 gram bullet would be about 3,800 grains and would be as long as a pencil.

Assuming you meant grains,

, also No. The bullet will not seal the chamber. Remy needs .451 to .457 depending on the maker.

**4V50 Gary** · June 17, 2015, 07:58 PM

BlackPowderBen mistakenly wrote gram. He meant grain.

Returning to the question, I don't know if the bullet would fit. I'd slug the bore or take a caliper to it to see if the bore is slightly larger.

BlackPowderBen · June 17, 2015, 08:26 PM

Ha! yeah I meant grains

Tidewater_Kid · June 17, 2015, 09:17 PM

My Pietta 1858 Remington wants .454 round balls to seal the cylinder. .445 would be too small.

TK

Hawg · June 18, 2015, 04:03 AM

Quote:

Returning to the question, I don't know if the bullet would fit. I'd slug the bore or take a caliper to it to see if the bore is slightly larger.

Still be too small. And it would definitely be too small for a C&B chamber.

Phill_Jay_D · June 22, 2015, 03:50 PM

BlackPowderBen I think the best solution is to use Caliper and measure all chambers. Then You will know which ball will be the best for Your Revolver.
Besides, every gun - replica - it is more or less different from each other. The rifling in the barrel, chamber in cylinder ... etc. For example, some Colt Army in 1860, 1863 Remingtons have better accuracy with the bullets .451 other with .454 bullets.
Of course, testing , testing and testing on range, to get the best results using a different weight of black powder and the filling chambers with semolina, corn mill or felt wads.

Sorry for my english, I do my best

stubbicatt · June 23, 2015, 06:40 AM

Do the conicals require the same sort of interference fit where you shave a ring of lead off as when seating round balls?

Phill_Jay_D · June 23, 2015, 08:25 AM

I prefer target shooting ( MLAIC ), so I always use round balls.
Once ( just one cylinder ) on the begining when I start with C&B I use .452 conicals for 1863 Remington Pattern Davide Pedersoli and I didn't notice that bullet was shaved, bullet just go inside chamber with small resistance.
But better accuracy at 25 to 50 meters I have when I shoot round balls.

maillemaker · June 23, 2015, 10:22 AM

This past weekend on a lark I tried shooting the Lee 452-230-TC bullet in my 1858 Remington. It has a nice chamfer on the tail of the bullet, so it starts reasonably well into the chambers. I use a stand-alone loading stand to load the cylinder as the bullet won't fit under the arch in the frame of the 1858 itself.

It performed OK, but not as well as .457 round ball. I tried 18, 20, and 22 grains of 3F Goex with cream of wheat filler. The bullets were lubed with Lee Alox.

Steve

June 17, 2015, 07:03 AM	#1
BlackPowderBen Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2015 Posts: 380	Bullet Mold Sizes Hi, Will a .445 diameter, 245 gram Conical bullet fit in a 1858 remington .44?

June 17, 2015, 08:12 AM	#2
noelf2 Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2008 Location: Stuart, VA Posts: 2,473	No. A 245 gram bullet would be about 3,800 grains and would be as long as a pencil. Assuming you meant grains, , also No. The bullet will not seal the chamber. Remy needs .451 to .457 depending on the maker. __________________ Liberty and freedom often offends those who understand neither.

June 17, 2015, 07:58 PM	#3
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,845	BlackPowderBen mistakenly wrote gram. He meant grain. Returning to the question, I don't know if the bullet would fit. I'd slug the bore or take a caliper to it to see if the bore is slightly larger. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

June 22, 2015, 03:50 PM	#7
Phill_Jay_D Member Join Date: June 20, 2015 Location: The old continent - Europe Posts: 32	BlackPowderBen I think the best solution is to use Caliper and measure all chambers. Then You will know which ball will be the best for Your Revolver. Besides, every gun - replica - it is more or less different from each other. The rifling in the barrel, chamber in cylinder ... etc. For example, some Colt Army in 1860, 1863 Remingtons have better accuracy with the bullets .451 other with .454 bullets. Of course, testing , testing and testing on range, to get the best results using a different weight of black powder and the filling chambers with semolina, corn mill or felt wads. Sorry for my english, I do my best Last edited by Phill_Jay_D; June 22, 2015 at 04:02 PM.

June 17, 2015, 08:26 PM	#4
BlackPowderBen Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2015 Posts: 380	Ha! yeah I meant grains

June 17, 2015, 09:17 PM	#5
Tidewater_Kid Senior Member Join Date: July 3, 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 925	My Pietta 1858 Remington wants .454 round balls to seal the cylinder. .445 would be too small. TK

June 23, 2015, 06:40 AM	#8
stubbicatt Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2007 Posts: 1,707	Do the conicals require the same sort of interference fit where you shave a ring of lead off as when seating round balls?

June 23, 2015, 08:25 AM	#9
Phill_Jay_D Member Join Date: June 20, 2015 Location: The old continent - Europe Posts: 32	I prefer target shooting ( MLAIC ), so I always use round balls. Once ( just one cylinder ) on the begining when I start with C&B I use .452 conicals for 1863 Remington Pattern Davide Pedersoli and I didn't notice that bullet was shaved, bullet just go inside chamber with small resistance. But better accuracy at 25 to 50 meters I have when I shoot round balls.

June 23, 2015, 10:22 AM	#10
maillemaker Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2010 Posts: 1,635	This past weekend on a lark I tried shooting the Lee 452-230-TC bullet in my 1858 Remington. It has a nice chamfer on the tail of the bullet, so it starts reasonably well into the chambers. I use a stand-alone loading stand to load the cylinder as the bullet won't fit under the arch in the frame of the 1858 itself. It performed OK, but not as well as .457 round ball. I tried 18, 20, and 22 grains of 3F Goex with cream of wheat filler. The bullets were lubed with Lee Alox. Steve