Elcho 17 = Reloader 17?

jojo4711 · October 3, 2016, 07:44 PM

Are they the same or is data basically interchangeable? Seems like when I look them up on Quickload, they always have almost the exact same outputs. Anyone know?

oldscot3 · October 4, 2016, 08:13 AM

Sorry, I'm not familiar with the elcho17. To be safe, I would not assume it's interchangeable with RL17. Just use the data provided by the manufacturer and press on with your own load development, no shortcuts, work up with a safe progression.

jojo4711 · October 4, 2016, 09:07 AM

I think Elcho-17 is only available in Europe.

T. O'Heir · October 4, 2016, 02:26 PM

Apparently, RL17, Elcho 17 and RS62 are all the same thing made by Nitrochemie of Switzerland. A member of the Rheinmetall Group. No North American distributors.
RL17 is supposedly the original 7.5X55mm GP31 Swiss military cartridge powder.

jojo4711 · October 4, 2016, 08:12 PM

Thanks for that. I was looking around but couldnt find a finite answer. Obviously I will work up the load, but in a lot of .308 simulations I am running, Elcho-17 is always in the top 3. Good to know.

**Unclenick** · October 4, 2016, 08:56 PM

With permission from NECO:

You can see the properties are identical, so obvious QuickLOAD author Hartmut Broemel, who is an industry insider, was aware they were the same powder.

jojo4711 · October 4, 2016, 10:53 PM

I just got Quickload a few days ago, didnt even think about looking up the properties lol. Thanks Unclenick.

Edit: Time to find some reloader-17

October 3, 2016, 07:44 PM	#1
jojo4711 Member Join Date: March 16, 2015 Posts: 85	Elcho 17 = Reloader 17? Are they the same or is data basically interchangeable? Seems like when I look them up on Quickload, they always have almost the exact same outputs. Anyone know?

October 4, 2016, 02:26 PM	#4
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	Apparently, RL17, Elcho 17 and RS62 are all the same thing made by Nitrochemie of Switzerland. A member of the Rheinmetall Group. No North American distributors. RL17 is supposedly the original 7.5X55mm GP31 Swiss military cartridge powder. __________________ Spelling and grammar count!

October 4, 2016, 08:13 AM	#2
oldscot3 Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2007 Location: texas Posts: 997	Sorry, I'm not familiar with the elcho17. To be safe, I would not assume it's interchangeable with RL17. Just use the data provided by the manufacturer and press on with your own load development, no shortcuts, work up with a safe progression.

October 4, 2016, 09:07 AM	#3
jojo4711 Member Join Date: March 16, 2015 Posts: 85	I think Elcho-17 is only available in Europe.

October 4, 2016, 08:12 PM	#5
jojo4711 Member Join Date: March 16, 2015 Posts: 85	Thanks for that. I was looking around but couldnt find a finite answer. Obviously I will work up the load, but in a lot of .308 simulations I am running, Elcho-17 is always in the top 3. Good to know.

October 4, 2016, 10:53 PM	#7
jojo4711 Member Join Date: March 16, 2015 Posts: 85	I just got Quickload a few days ago, didnt even think about looking up the properties lol. Thanks Unclenick. Edit: Time to find some reloader-17