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I heard of a guy who was shot 131 times in the head and lived. I just dont believe 99.9% of stories like this. A .357 mag to the heart and the cop lives. Later you find out it was a bullet fragment that hit her heart without penetrating deeply.
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How would someone who was going to be executed get PCP?
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Simple fact is no drug changes the threshold of the human body dying.. only the tolerance to stimuli (pain). And this guy would have survived getting shot 21 times even if he wasn't on a drug.. he just would have whined a little more.
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This thread is reminding me of The Re-animator!
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Anybody kill a chicken for supper by cutting the head off. The body can run around for ...what seems like a long time in seconds...
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Kgcpr - do you have a reference for that? It that the Stacey Lim story -
http://www.officer.com/web/online/Operations-and-Tactics/Surviving-Being-Shot/3$33691 If so, it does sound like she was seriously hurt. Glenn
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20 times eh? Sounds like I'm going to need that bigger clip for my 92.
btw- on the head thing, I heard the same info, the brain lives for about 17 seconds. The topic was on the morning radio just this last week. I think Sefner has it pegged! |
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OK now this brings up the subject, Is there a drill where you can practice disarming an ax welder after your head is cut off?
Man some funny stuff comes out in these forums.
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Watch the movie Sleepy Hollow with Johnny Depp.
In that the Headless Horseman is taken under continuous musket fire with many good COM hits. Doesn't phase him. Probably needed a phaser.
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There's no need to invoke the emotional state of the chicken to explain this. It's not a matter of the last thing the chicken "knows" or "feels." It's a matter of what motor reflexes are present at the level of the spinal cord vs. higher levels of the central nervous system. In an intact nervous system, those spinal reflexes are inhibited by input from higher levels. So when the chicken's spinal cord is severed, spinal motor reflexes, including some reflexive locomotion, are disinhibited -- and the chicken may run a few steps. (Locomotion in birds is more stereotyped than in mammals... more of a reflex thing. The chicken either walks or it doesn't, pretty much. John Cleese, on the other hand, can do silly walks, which require more control at cortical and subcortical levels of the brain.) When the doctor taps your knee, she's testing one of your spinal reflexes. One of the possible abnormalities is that the "knee-jerk" reflex is a lot stronger than it should be, which would mean that "circuit" isn't getting the right inhibitory signals from farther up, perhaps because your spinal cord is compressed at a higher level, or because something is amiss with one of the higher "centers" in the brain that does the inhibiting, and it's not sending out the right signals. Oversimplification, but that's the general idea. But I have no clue about how Johnny Depp's nervous system works.
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Ever killed an animal of any kind? Each dies differently, some lay down and it is over, some retain body movement to the point they could fly. Lest it is this way on wild pheasants. I hit a few in the heart, they went straight up like a helicopter. Head shot folded up, some layed there, some flopped for awhile.
I imagine it is the same for all living things. In other words cant tell what will happen.... til it does. Saw a guy shoot a pig 5 times, pig was getting upset. I was going to cook that pig. I took the .22 and shot it in the head right in the dead zone, pig dropped right there, we cooked him up. |
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It sounds like this Alvarez guy was probably shot a few times and the other 'wounds' were probably grazing wounds or exit wounds. We'll never know because of inaccurate news reports. The MSM loves to sensationalize shootouts▬especially shootouts involving police vs bad guys. He [Alvarez] was probably grazed by 20 bullets.. The mainstream media will still report it as being shot If he was 18 or 19 years old, they would have reported him as being a child..
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Sorry about being late to the party as it were. To back Glenn's point about after surviving for a time after being beheaded. This is what I learned in Anatomy& Physiology class in college. After the head was removed by a guillotine in France the person blinked 12 times. The person beheaded was an assistant to a scientist and this was arranged ahead to see what would happen. This wasn't in the book, but related by the teacher. Best, Lyle
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Does PCP work on electricutions or the needle as is common these days? I shot a quail once, threw it in the back of the truck, down the road that quail was running around the inside of the bed so I removed its head. It stopped running around after that. Eyes didnt blink tho and its lips never moved at all. |
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However, probably not a real desirable outcome when police intervention results in killing the guy being threatened and wounding another two police officers and three bystanders. |
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I would have to say none of the 20 hit anything major. Its like the guy who shoots a deer 5 times and later when you finaly put it down none were in the boiler room even though he swears he shot it in the lungs every time.
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Yep adenosine triphosphate prevents the slowing of the heart, added with epinephrine, you get a life stabilizing combo.
FYI, The brain can live without oxygen for 10 minutes before severe damage occurs to the brain cells.
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