Finding a lot of tumbling media in my hollow points...

Magnum Wheel Man · April 14, 2015, 07:23 AM

specifically in my Hornady XTP's... used that same brand of bullet in 32 H&R Magnum, 38 Special, & 44 Special, & an average of 3 bullets per 100 have the nose packed full of ( I assume ) cob tumbling media, from the factory...

anyone else seen this with the XTP's ???

if I missed one ( unlikely... I usually take my dental pick & dig them out )... shooting them with the nose packed full in the bullet... do you think they'd act like FTX's ( maybe that's where they got the idea??? )... can't think of any performance issues... bullet would be marginally heavier, & the bullet may or may not expand normally...

just being a little OCD... I don't like cob in my hollow points

Geezerbiker · April 14, 2015, 07:54 AM

Easy fix, stop tumbling loaded rounds. I can see a possibility that it would hinder expansion but I wouldn't bet my lunch money on it...

Tony

**Unclenick** · April 14, 2015, 08:35 AM

Geezerbiker,

If you reread the post, you'll notice he said they are coming from the factory like that. This is the result of factory tumbling to remove forming lube or water marks from washing off forming lube. It's to make them look pretty.

MWM,

The reason the FBI ammo qualification tests include shooting through several layers of denim over the face of the ballistic gelatin is that hollow points frequently fail to open when clogged with clothing. I've not tested it myself, but have seen numbers on the order of 30-50% failure of pistol bullets to expand shooting through clothing. It will depend on the bullet and the clothing (leather jackets are worse than t-shirts, obviously) and also on actual velocity (being much faster, expanding rifle bullets shooting through hide don't normally exhibit this issue). So, you could experience expansion failures.

skizzums · April 14, 2015, 10:40 AM

anything I buy from speer always has a ton of media in the HP and in the box itself. I do get some I my hornadays as well. gotta use a paperclip

wogpotter · April 14, 2015, 01:27 PM

I've never found it in the 125 Gr .357 ones.
What I have discovered is the diameter of the HP cavity & the resulting surrounding "front" & jacket vary massively from lot to lot.

Magnum Wheel Man · April 14, 2015, 01:30 PM

just loaded 200 of the 125 grain .357" bullets & had 6 of them in 2 boxes... 8 of them in 2 boxes of 32 caliber, & only 5 in 2 boxes of 240 grain 44's... so from my experience the smaller the hollow point cavity, the more likely they'll be packed ???

Gadawg88 · April 14, 2015, 02:07 PM

I have seen it in some XTPs as well.

wogpotter · April 14, 2015, 03:55 PM

Mahwellous, simply mahwellous. another QC check to add to the list!

skizzums · April 14, 2015, 09:36 PM

I apologize for my ignorance, but I must be too old or too young for that word.

I am going to need a description for the word "mahwellous" please

Snyper · April 14, 2015, 09:40 PM

Quote:

I am going to need a description for the word "mahwellous" please

"Marvelous, simply marvelous" is from an old Billy Crystal comedy routine
http://www.top40db.net/Lyrics/?SongID=85322

skizzums · April 14, 2015, 10:18 PM

ahh.....too young then, whew

wogpotter · April 15, 2015, 08:24 AM

Here you go, back in what '85?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=44&v=hXydX9p_ZxA

Master Blaster · April 15, 2015, 10:16 AM

Call Hornady and ask for replacements.

Magnum Wheel Man · April 15, 2015, 10:32 AM

a dental pick does get them out... just an inconvenience, or another step in prepping the handload

Geezerbiker · April 16, 2015, 02:11 AM

Sorry I missed that it was factory bullets. One of those things that happens with my dyslexia....

This is odd to say the least. In 30 years of reloading, I've never seen this with factory bullets.

Tony

April 14, 2015, 07:23 AM	#1
Magnum Wheel Man Senior Member Join Date: July 26, 2006 Location: Southern Minnesota Posts: 9,333	Finding a lot of tumbling media in my hollow points... specifically in my Hornady XTP's... used that same brand of bullet in 32 H&R Magnum, 38 Special, & 44 Special, & an average of 3 bullets per 100 have the nose packed full of ( I assume ) cob tumbling media, from the factory... anyone else seen this with the XTP's ??? if I missed one ( unlikely... I usually take my dental pick & dig them out )... shooting them with the nose packed full in the bullet... do you think they'd act like FTX's ( maybe that's where they got the idea??? )... can't think of any performance issues... bullet would be marginally heavier, & the bullet may or may not expand normally... just being a little OCD... I don't like cob in my hollow points __________________ In life you either make dust or eat dust...

April 14, 2015, 08:35 AM	#3
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,063	Geezerbiker, If you reread the post, you'll notice he said they are coming from the factory like that. This is the result of factory tumbling to remove forming lube or water marks from washing off forming lube. It's to make them look pretty. MWM, The reason the FBI ammo qualification tests include shooting through several layers of denim over the face of the ballistic gelatin is that hollow points frequently fail to open when clogged with clothing. I've not tested it myself, but have seen numbers on the order of 30-50% failure of pistol bullets to expand shooting through clothing. It will depend on the bullet and the clothing (leather jackets are worse than t-shirts, obviously) and also on actual velocity (being much faster, expanding rifle bullets shooting through hide don't normally exhibit this issue). So, you could experience expansion failures. __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

April 14, 2015, 10:40 AM	#4
skizzums Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2013 Location: Douglasville, Ga Posts: 4,615	anything I buy from speer always has a ton of media in the HP and in the box itself. I do get some I my hornadays as well. gotta use a paperclip __________________ My head is bloody, but unbowed

April 14, 2015, 01:27 PM	#5
wogpotter Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2004 Posts: 4,811	I've never found it in the 125 Gr .357 ones. What I have discovered is the diameter of the HP cavity & the resulting surrounding "front" & jacket vary massively from lot to lot. __________________ Allan Quatermain: “Automatic rifles. Who in God's name has automatic rifles”? Elderly Hunter: “That's dashed unsporting. Probably Belgium.”

April 14, 2015, 01:30 PM	#6
Magnum Wheel Man Senior Member Join Date: July 26, 2006 Location: Southern Minnesota Posts: 9,333	just loaded 200 of the 125 grain .357" bullets & had 6 of them in 2 boxes... 8 of them in 2 boxes of 32 caliber, & only 5 in 2 boxes of 240 grain 44's... so from my experience the smaller the hollow point cavity, the more likely they'll be packed ??? __________________ In life you either make dust or eat dust...

April 14, 2015, 07:54 AM	#2
Geezerbiker Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2011 Location: Willamina, OR Posts: 1,908	Easy fix, stop tumbling loaded rounds. I can see a possibility that it would hinder expansion but I wouldn't bet my lunch money on it... Tony

April 14, 2015, 02:07 PM	#7
Gadawg88 Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2013 Location: Georgia Posts: 241	I have seen it in some XTPs as well.

April 14, 2015, 03:55 PM	#8
wogpotter Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2004 Posts: 4,811	Mahwellous, simply mahwellous. another QC check to add to the list! __________________ Allan Quatermain: “Automatic rifles. Who in God's name has automatic rifles”? Elderly Hunter: “That's dashed unsporting. Probably Belgium.”

April 14, 2015, 09:36 PM	#9
skizzums Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2013 Location: Douglasville, Ga Posts: 4,615	I apologize for my ignorance, but I must be too old or too young for that word. I am going to need a description for the word "mahwellous" please __________________ My head is bloody, but unbowed

April 14, 2015, 10:18 PM	#11
skizzums Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2013 Location: Douglasville, Ga Posts: 4,615	ahh.....too young then, whew __________________ My head is bloody, but unbowed

April 15, 2015, 08:24 AM	#12
wogpotter Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2004 Posts: 4,811	Here you go, back in what '85? https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=44&v=hXydX9p_ZxA __________________ Allan Quatermain: “Automatic rifles. Who in God's name has automatic rifles”? Elderly Hunter: “That's dashed unsporting. Probably Belgium.”

April 15, 2015, 10:16 AM	#13
Master Blaster Senior Member Join Date: October 11, 1999 Location: One of the original 13 Colonies Posts: 2,281	Call Hornady and ask for replacements.

April 15, 2015, 10:32 AM	#14
Magnum Wheel Man Senior Member Join Date: July 26, 2006 Location: Southern Minnesota Posts: 9,333	a dental pick does get them out... just an inconvenience, or another step in prepping the handload __________________ In life you either make dust or eat dust...

April 16, 2015, 02:11 AM	#15
Geezerbiker Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2011 Location: Willamina, OR Posts: 1,908	Sorry I missed that it was factory bullets. One of those things that happens with my dyslexia.... This is odd to say the least. In 30 years of reloading, I've never seen this with factory bullets. Tony