Best place to shoot deer with .223? - Page 2

taylorce1 · January 28, 2009, 01:10 PM

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Is it not hypocritical to say that someone is "stirring the pot" when you used the words "stupid", "ignorance" and "dumbest" in the SAME POST?

You are "stirring the pot", maybe more than anyone else in this entire thread.

Yes! I was “stirring the pot”, and I even admitted it. I've read some of bcarver’s other posts and know he can handle recoil more than a .243 Win delivers. However there was a lot of truth in my post. Especially when people start ignoring things like shot placement and proper bullet construction with any caliber rifle. Deer are a whole lot different than elk which can range from 500 up to 800 lbs pretty easily, and once you start getting over a 250 lb average for big game I find the .223 a very poor choice.

I wasn't calling bcarver “dumb”, “stupid”, or “ignorant”. I figured he was posting what has been said time and time again about using the .223 Rem for deer and other large game. I was just giving the standard arguments right back at him. Besides it was more fun than my standard response every time this question comes up which is “If it is legal then go ahead and use it”.

Like I said I'd probably use the .223 at least once if it was legal where I hunt. If I happen to travel to a place to hunt where the .223 is legal to hunt with I'm going to bring a better cartridge, to do the job unless it is a pig or varmint hunt.

Eskimo · January 28, 2009, 01:14 PM

Well, I agree that for moose or elk 223 is not enough.. but there's no need to be rude.

My grandpa did kill a full-grown moose with a .22 short, though. He was just trying to get the moose out of his yard : )

sc928porsche · January 28, 2009, 01:19 PM

In a fenced in compound at about 25 yards.

taylorce1 · January 28, 2009, 01:29 PM

I really wasn't being rude, I was just having some fun. Like I said there was a lot of honesty in my post. When you choose a small bore firearm or any for that matter to hunt big game with you really need to take in to account several factors.

Anatomy of the animal you are hunting.
Know your cartrige limitations. Is it really the best one for the job?
Bullet placment. Shoot at where you want your bullet to exit not enter.
Bullet construction. Make sure you have the best bullet for the job at hand.
Know your firearm.
Know your limitations as well. Range and accuracy as well as your patitence factor.
Most of all use a little common sense when you hunt!

This goes for everyone reading this post not just the OP.

sureshots · January 28, 2009, 04:36 PM

Those words should have never been used. Please do not hurl personal insults as an answer to someones posts. Disagree but don't insult. No harm intended its just A suggestion.

45Marlin carbine · January 28, 2009, 05:50 PM

dependent on what shot presents.
anything but a quartering-away shot at over 50 yards the .223 would do the job.
if it presented I'd take a neck/head juncture shot.

ZeroJunk · January 28, 2009, 06:43 PM

I'll throw my usual in. Have no idea why you would want to shoot a deer with a .223 unless you are hungry and that's all you have.

I suspect if a deer was mean as hell and would chase you down and chew your head off if things went bad you would choose something else.

sureshots · January 28, 2009, 08:42 PM

You know I have never thought of it that way. That definitely is something to think about. Maybe if that were the case I would upgrade to at least A 30-06 cal. I'll have to give you one ,you made A great point.

Art Eatman · January 29, 2009, 11:03 AM

Look: Within a shooter's skill limit, and stipulating a proper bullet and proper shot placement, any of the high-speed .22s will kill a deer. That's been demonstrated over and over. Head, neck, 90-degree cross-body shot. Don't take an angling shot where deep penetration is needed to reach the heart/lungs--IOW, there are limitations.

Enuf. Give it a rest for a month or six.

January 28, 2009, 01:19 PM	#28
sc928porsche Senior Member Join Date: May 29, 2008 Location: now living in alabama Posts: 2,433	In a fenced in compound at about 25 yards. __________________ No such thing as a stupid question. What is stupid is not asking it.

January 28, 2009, 04:36 PM	#30
sureshots Senior Member Join Date: March 17, 2008 Location: Piedmont,NC Posts: 464	A Suggestion Those words should have never been used. Please do not hurl personal insults as an answer to someones posts. Disagree but don't insult. No harm intended its just A suggestion.

January 28, 2009, 06:43 PM	#32
ZeroJunk Senior Member Join Date: August 14, 2006 Location: Browns Summit NC Posts: 2,589	I'll throw my usual in. Have no idea why you would want to shoot a deer with a .223 unless you are hungry and that's all you have. I suspect if a deer was mean as hell and would chase you down and chew your head off if things went bad you would choose something else. Last edited by ZeroJunk; January 28, 2009 at 07:56 PM. Reason: spelin

January 28, 2009, 08:42 PM	#33
sureshots Senior Member Join Date: March 17, 2008 Location: Piedmont,NC Posts: 464	zero junk You know I have never thought of it that way. That definitely is something to think about. Maybe if that were the case I would upgrade to at least A 30-06 cal. I'll have to give you one ,you made A great point.

January 28, 2009, 01:14 PM	#27
Eskimo Senior Member Join Date: October 18, 2008 Posts: 173	Well, I agree that for moose or elk 223 is not enough.. but there's no need to be rude. My grandpa did kill a full-grown moose with a .22 short, though. He was just trying to get the moose out of his yard : )

January 28, 2009, 01:29 PM	#29
taylorce1 Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2005 Location: On the Santa Fe Trail Posts: 8,269	I really wasn't being rude, I was just having some fun. Like I said there was a lot of honesty in my post. When you choose a small bore firearm or any for that matter to hunt big game with you really need to take in to account several factors. Anatomy of the animal you are hunting. Know your cartrige limitations. Is it really the best one for the job? Bullet placment. Shoot at where you want your bullet to exit not enter. Bullet construction. Make sure you have the best bullet for the job at hand. Know your firearm. Know your limitations as well. Range and accuracy as well as your patitence factor. Most of all use a little common sense when you hunt! This goes for everyone reading this post not just the OP.

January 28, 2009, 05:50 PM	#31
45Marlin carbine Junior member Join Date: January 26, 2007 Location: South-Western North Carolina Posts: 1,124	dependent on what shot presents. anything but a quartering-away shot at over 50 yards the .223 would do the job. if it presented I'd take a neck/head juncture shot.

January 29, 2009, 11:03 AM	#34
Art Eatman Staff in Memoriam Join Date: November 13, 1998 Location: Terlingua, TX; Thomasville, GA Posts: 24,798	Look: Within a shooter's skill limit, and stipulating a proper bullet and proper shot placement, any of the high-speed .22s will kill a deer. That's been demonstrated over and over. Head, neck, 90-degree cross-body shot. Don't take an angling shot where deep penetration is needed to reach the heart/lungs--IOW, there are limitations. Enuf. Give it a rest for a month or six.