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It's Alive! Franken-ARC born
My 6mm ARC Monster barrel arrived from sixfive this morning, so I was able to put the rifle together. Credit goes to Mel80 on this forum, I was inspired to try the barrel based on her spectacular results.
I was able to put the thing together with all parts that I had on hand, so it is a bit of a "mix and match" affair--no points for style. I've put quite a few Grendel/lbc's together over the years (still have some type 1 parts) so I had everything needed already. The one thing that was kinda interesting/disappointing is the the heavy-duty type 2 NB bolt I have for my 6mm predator will not engage with the feedramps/extension. Oh well, I still have several conventional thin-walled ones. The biggest problem is that there is no 6mm ARC brass or ammo available anywhere--I'm lucky in that I have a pretty ample supply of left-over Grendel brass that I can convert.
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I decided to ditch the off-color stuff having found black stuff. Here's my first go at reloads from Grendel brass sized down, using 90 gr vld's.
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You using the dot sight just for reliability testing?
Upper looks good, but I'd want a little bit of magnification for accuracy testing.
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We're in the middle of a raging rain/sleet/snow storm--what better time to go out and do a function test, right? Loaded the mag up and shot them all--everything worked perfectly. Love it when that happens on the first try.
In regards to the brass, I had a mix of different case lengths due to trial and error when first resizing the Grendel brass. I was (unnecessarily) worried about having too little space for the neck as a result of flowing metal up from the shoulder when resizing. As it turns out there was more than enough slack between the case neck OD and the chamber's wall--almost too much, I forgot that hornady generally makes their dies size towards minimum case measurements specs even if they don't call them small base. I noticed that the 3 cases under 1.49 tended to have signs of gas leaking. Other than that, I'm very happy--also noticed it's remarkably soft in recoil though the brake may have helped that. I can see for that reason alone this may become very popular, proving that maximum velocity attainable isn't always the most attractive feature of a cartridge, this cartridge joins a busy crowd, but it just might catch on as a soft-shooting high performance bullet cartridge. Them Hornady folks are pretty savvy bunch of rascals. ![]()
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Other than that I am deeply offended that you have brass and I don't, congrats on a fine rifle. ![]() Is the brake from the same company as the barrel?
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BTW--Brownells has stock of Bart's 100 count 66 gr match flat base bullets in stock at a low price--I just snatched 3 boxes. I have no idea how well they work in the ARC, but Hodgdon has data all the way down to 58 grs, and the smallest bullets I have in 6mm are 90 grs. having bought most of my 6mm bullets intending on using them for 6mm Creedmoor.
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I may grab some of those Bart's anyway though as I've seen a review or two that say they shoot great. That is a pretty gnarly looking brake for an ARC but I bet she kicks like a .22 ![]() I would concur that it is almost certainly unnecessary, but sometimes "I think it looks cool" or even "I've got it, why not" is all the necessary we need. ![]() I'll shoot you a PM on the brass, glad to pay a fair price if you've got spares.
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As a former varmint hunter, these little-bullets-with-a-fat-cartridge type ARs are intriguing to me, but alas, I’m not adventurous enough.
I plan to move back to Texas in the next year or two. I’ve currently lived in Washington for 7 years now I’m ready to move back to freedom and varmint hunting lol. |
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I was actually a bit surprised it fed flawlessly, Grendel cartridges can be a bit finicky feeding in AR's with bullets "way out there."
You might find this interesting: http://bartsbullets.weebly.com/6mm-grinch.html
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very nice i havent goten to try any of the arc specific bullets in mine yet , with myplans i plan on sticking with the lightwieght hunting and varmint stuff. im actually thinking about buyingsome ofthe leghih controlled chaos bullets to try in mine
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forgot to add ive got a 12" 6 arc barrel from sixfive on the way
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im really looking forward todoing some varminting at 300-600+ y with the arc and some light wieght bullets this year and hopefully some even longer range stuff with my custom 28" mcgowen barreled6.5 grendel 430y racoon 6.5 gren supressed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jLtVYrPtDo Last edited by mel80; April 16, 2021 at 11:20 PM. |
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ive got a few boxes of the 80g tipped trex's on the way for the gren just picked up 4 lbs of 2000-mr for the arc for loading 70/75/ and 80g stuff
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I've had great results with 2000MR in my 224 valk AR's using 95 gr SMKs--most powders cross pretty well from Grendel to 6.8 spc type cartridges in my experience.
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I did a little more fudging around with the case lengths--for my particular chamber a length of 1.495 seems to be the sweet spot for easy load and extraction.
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My first real "controlled" loads--95 gr ballistic silver tips.
The trigger group BTW is a PSA EPT trigger combined with jp reduced power springs for a smooth hunting trigger of 4 to 4.5 lbs pull. Nuthin fancy, a cheap but nice set-up.
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Just got back--it's still rather stormy with rain and winds so my results probably could be much better, I only shoot a couple of groups at a time anyway as "seasoning" the bore is the most important thing to me right now. The rifle continues to operate flawlessly, not a single hiccup with loading, cycling or lock-back of bolt since the very first shot. This is my fifth Grendel/Grendel-based AR build and far and away the best reliably-operating one of the family. I rarely get such "positive vibes" from a new cartridge intro.
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if u can find any give the nosler 6mm 70g balistic tip varmint bullets a try p/n 39532 , my barrel absolutely loves them it also apears to love the sierra #1515 80g spbt blitz bullets from my first round of testing
i was hoping to get back out with mine over this weekend but its been cold af and even snowed back into the mid 70's end of this week though i now have 6 gren based builds only ones that ever gave me issues were the 10" barreled one thanks to the pistol lenght gas system , and my custom 28" inch barrel but that was to be expected since im well into uncharted territory with that beast of a rifle , now wih the low mass carrier and rp spring that thing runs like a champ across the entire bullet weight spectrum |
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Mel--if you get a cavity back PRI cut-out magazine--you can seat your bullets to 2.3+ assuming your chamber can take them and depending on the ogive of the bullet. It gives you "options." I've never used any small 6mm bullets--but I'll try a couple in the ARC.I have some 90/95 gr ballistic tips.
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my grendel mags allow me to seat to 2.30 they work just fine in the arc as well
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