Close call today - Page 2

Scatcatt · February 17, 2016, 12:47 AM

Ohh vest carry. I have to say I'm a vest wearing kinda person. I love me some vests in Texas. Summer times will probably prove to be the hardest for me.

hartcreek · February 17, 2016, 01:00 AM

ScatCat

I have posted here before how I set up my mothers purse. I found several leather purses at Good Will. I let her pick the one she wanted for her gun purse. The outside pocket on the purse is her gun pocket nothing else is in that pocket except her Airweight and two speed loaders. I then bought the correct IWB holster and using Hillman bolts that you can find at good hardware stores bolted the holster in the purse it the draw position that she
wanted. By bolting the holster in place through the inside wall of the purse the holster and gun stay solidly in place.

Slimjim9 · February 17, 2016, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Scatcatt

Tonight for some reason I upholstered it and laid in the pocket of my purse while I was eating

What a comfy piece.

(gotta love autocorrect)

And well played with the yute.

Limnophile · February 17, 2016, 02:34 AM

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I missed the point where that is what I suggested. My thought was merely to drive away. Simply say, "Sorry I have to be going", and leave.

That sounds like a reasonable alternative, although that could be cumbersome and time consuming if approached in the middle of decimating a burger, fries, and a soft drink. Above you were emphasizing how fast you can start a car and shift into reverse. Backing up in most parking lots is something best not done in haste under most circumstances.

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Then we get into what the definition of potential trouble is.

The definition is irrelevant, because resting your hand on a well concealed, properly holstered handgun is not a threatening gesture, nor does it pose an actual threat to anyone. With a holstered pocket pistol in my pocket I can walk around all day with my hand in that pocket, on or near my pistol, and I pose no threat to anyone (even if the pistol is cocked and unlocked).

Limnophile · February 17, 2016, 02:43 AM

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I'm open to suggestions on what works for other people with a concealed carry purse that might be smaller.

I have no experience with purse or bag carry, but something like this is about as minimal as gets:

http://gallowayprecision.com/images/...ision_5463.jpg.

The minimal kydex holster covers the trigger. Loop the lanyard around something fixed in your purse pocket and when you draw beyond the length of the lanyard the kydex will automatically be removed. You can use it as a pocket holster by looping the lanyard around a belt or belt loop.

You can opt for a super minimalist option:

http://gallowayprecision.com/images/...ision_5450.jpg.

I'd prefer the first option, as it should keep pocket and purse (?) lint out of the muzzle.

labhound · February 17, 2016, 03:04 AM

Scatcatt IMHO you handled the situation correctly. If he had his head in your window, his hands could have been on your neck in an instant and you wouldn't have had time to grope around in your bag for your gun let alone try and reach for the ignition to start your car and put it in gear. Fortunately you didn't have to draw and he retreated, but you were prepared in case drawing became necessary.

redhologram · February 17, 2016, 08:43 AM

I shot you an email. (Pardon the pun)

Scatcatt · February 17, 2016, 09:06 AM

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I have no experience with purse or bag carry, but something like this is about as minimal as gets:

http://gallowayprecision.com/images/...ision_5463.jpg.

The minimal kydex holster covers the trigger. Loop the lanyard around something fixed in your purse pocket and when you draw beyond the length of the lanyard the kydex will automatically be removed. You can use it as a pocket holster by looping the lanyard around a belt or belt loop.

You can opt for a super minimalist option:

http://gallowayprecision.com/images/...ision_5450.jpg.

I'd prefer the first option, as it should keep pocket and purse (?) lint out of the muzzle.
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I've been looking at those and wondering how well they stay in place. It could be a good option when it's in your pocket or loose in my purse on the rare occasions. Thank you.

Scatcatt · February 17, 2016, 09:07 AM

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I have posted here before how I set up my mothers purse. I found several leather purses at Good Will. I let her pick the one she wanted for her gun purse. The outside pocket on the purse is her gun pocket nothing else is in that pocket except her Airweight and two speed loaders. I then bought the correct IWB holster and using Hillman bolts that you can find at good hardware stores bolted the holster in the purse it the draw position that she
wanted. By bolting the holster in place through the inside wall of the purse the holster and gun stay solidly in place.

I've been thinking about this myself. I'll see if I can find those old posts. Thank you.

TunnelRat · February 17, 2016, 10:14 AM

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Backing up in most parking lots is something best not done in haste under most circumstances.

Agreed. My point was to get the car in motion, even if going slow. I emphasized the relatively short amount of time it takes to start a car because of the comment that you wouldn't have enough time to do so. You interpreted what I wrote as driving like The Dukes of Hazard. Sorry if what I wrote wasn't clear enough.

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With a holstered pocket pistol in my pocket I can walk around all day with my hand in that pocket, on or near my pistol, and I pose no threat to anyone (even if the pistol is cocked and unlocked).

You're certainly free to do that.

Ricklin · February 17, 2016, 10:40 AM

Please don't shoot an aggressive panhandler.

I have encountered a few over the years. The behavior you detailed is typical of aggressive panhandlers. That sort of thing is less common today, as more people are CCing a weapon.

Being scared or startled is not a reason to present your weapon. Good for you that you did not do so. I totally get it.

I was visiting one of my dealers in a bad part of town (S central LA) after leaving I had a large imposing local resident approach the window of my car and say loudly.....got anything in there for me? I handed him a piece of hard candy, and rolled up my window.

Their game is intimidation......I did not play.

rodfac · February 17, 2016, 01:36 PM

Scatcatt....way to go girl...you are a member of the thousands who have had the means to resist, but didn't have to display nor shoot to protect themselves. I applaud your choice of defensive moves...the hand in the purse, ready to draw if the situation went downhill, closely resembles the LE Officer who approaches a vehicle with his strong hand on or in close proximity to his side arm.

My two DIL and wife have done the same thing...hand on the weapon, but not allowing it to be seen...it's called preparedness and Cooper among others would also applaud your tactics. In our family's case, (one of the DIL's was 7+ months pregnant, your tactic allowed them to leave the scene, with children in tow, and not have to resort to high speed driving maneuvers etc.

Well done. Rod

pacerdude · February 17, 2016, 01:40 PM

My mom carries her Sig P-238 in a Montana West Concealment purse.

Scatcatt · February 17, 2016, 02:16 PM

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I'm going to be honest I don't buy this story. Sounds like a load of fiction you wrote up.

Ok lol, if you say it then it must be true. I won't argue it.

TailGator · February 17, 2016, 02:29 PM

My wife actually uses a Remora holster in a pocket of her purse. That way the trigger and safety are covered, and the stickiness of the holster's outer surface maintains a reasonable orientation for the pistol.

zincwarrior · February 17, 2016, 02:41 PM

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Please don't shoot an aggressive panhandler.

This needs to be repeated. While you are receiving a lot of positive vibes I feel someone must take up the role of caution here.

Threatening a panhandler can get you sent to the hoosegow (technical term

) quite quickly. Those of us in the city can be faced with inappropriate beggars almost daily. Its good to be observant and prepared, but one also must be careful to follow the law and act as a reasonable person would, fully cognizant of the massive legal, emotional, and spiritual costs that could occur if you jump the wrong way (or even if you jump the right way).

TimSr · February 17, 2016, 02:42 PM

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I do know I was not scared for one second. I knew my beloved Sig wouldn't fail me. It was worth every penny I paid for it. It was worth every one of those practice rounds I've shot. I hope that's the closest I ever have to come to using it. But I do know I am prepared to use it should I have to.

Sounds like a flawless execution of the plan and the outcome could not have been better. For many criminals, the fully confident response without displaying fear can inspire them to move on and find a more fearful and compliant victim to intimidate.

Scatcatt · February 17, 2016, 02:46 PM

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My wife actually uses a Remora holster in a pocket of her purse. That way the trigger and safety are covered, and the stickiness of the holster's outer surface maintains a reasonable orientation for the pistol.

Thank you for that I'll check it out along with the other purse that was suggested.

Slopemeno · February 17, 2016, 03:18 PM

It sounds like a win to me.

Maybe next time- park facing out. Window up. I eat at the "dashboard diner" too much, and I usually find another lot to eat in.

And yeah- another aggressive panhandler most likely.

Scatcatt · February 17, 2016, 03:25 PM

No doubt my window should have been up.

zincwarrior · February 17, 2016, 03:33 PM

I've ordered from the car at Sonic. They way the set up is there are indeed a lot of blindspots.

Limnophile · February 17, 2016, 03:49 PM

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I've been looking at those and wondering how well they stay in place. It could be a good option when it's in your pocket or loose in my purse on the rare occasions.

If by stay in place you mean remain positioned in your purse, I suggest it be carried in its own pocket of the purse. In the model that covers the muzzle there is a tension bolt, which could be modified as a single point of attachment to the inner wall of the purse pocket in the manner hartcreek suggests.

If by stay in place you mean does the kydex stay attached to the gun, I think even the ultra minimalist triggerguard cover can support the loaded gun when held by the lanyard. The Flash Bang bra holster is a kydex clamshell oriented with the opening down. The holster holds the gun securely against gravity, and the draw consists of a downward pull. I've never used a kydex holster or knife sheath, but I understand them to be molded to the tool they carry and hold that tool securely.

TunnelRat · February 17, 2016, 04:21 PM

The level of retention of kydex itself depends on how tightly molded the manufacturer wants to make it. Sometimes they offer a tensioning mechanism as well. Usually the minimalist holsters offer a retention where the pistol feels like it almost pops into place. But again, this can depend on the manufacturer.

I've known folks that use those minimalist holsters and anchor them inside of glove boxes for instance using the chord. The idea is that as you pull the pistol out the chord holds the holster and the holster stays put as you pull back on the pistol. I would think anchoring it in a purse would be possible, though a small purse might be challenging.

Limnophile · February 17, 2016, 07:02 PM

^ That's a good idea allowing for a one-handed draw from the glovebox. I need both hands to draw my CZ 82 from its military flap holster that resides in my glovebox.

TailGator's idea of using a Remora holster sounds good. Get the "3-in-1" model and you have a diversity of carry options -- pocket (purse, pants, or jacket), IWB, ankle, and thigh.

Scatcatt · February 17, 2016, 08:06 PM

Indeed, good prices too. I'm looking at them as we speak.

February 17, 2016, 10:40 AM	#36
Ricklin Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2008 Location: SW Washington state Posts: 2,393	Aggressive panhandlers Please don't shoot an aggressive panhandler. I have encountered a few over the years. The behavior you detailed is typical of aggressive panhandlers. That sort of thing is less common today, as more people are CCing a weapon. Being scared or startled is not a reason to present your weapon. Good for you that you did not do so. I totally get it. I was visiting one of my dealers in a bad part of town (S central LA) after leaving I had a large imposing local resident approach the window of my car and say loudly.....got anything in there for me? I handed him a piece of hard candy, and rolled up my window. Their game is intimidation......I did not play. __________________ ricklin Freedom is not free

February 17, 2016, 01:36 PM	#37
rodfac Senior Member Join Date: January 22, 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,657	Scatcatt....way to go girl...you are a member of the thousands who have had the means to resist, but didn't have to display nor shoot to protect themselves. I applaud your choice of defensive moves...the hand in the purse, ready to draw if the situation went downhill, closely resembles the LE Officer who approaches a vehicle with his strong hand on or in close proximity to his side arm. My two DIL and wife have done the same thing...hand on the weapon, but not allowing it to be seen...it's called preparedness and Cooper among others would also applaud your tactics. In our family's case, (one of the DIL's was 7+ months pregnant, your tactic allowed them to leave the scene, with children in tow, and not have to resort to high speed driving maneuvers etc. Well done. Rod __________________ Cherish our flag, honor it, defend it in word and deed, or get the hell out. Our Bill of Rights has been paid for by heros in uniform and shall not be diluted by misguided governmental social experiments. We owe this to our children, anything less is cowardice. USAF FAC, 5th Spl Forces, Vietnam Vet '69-'73.

February 17, 2016, 12:47 AM	#26
Scatcatt Member Join Date: January 21, 2016 Posts: 74	Ohh vest carry. I have to say I'm a vest wearing kinda person. I love me some vests in Texas. Summer times will probably prove to be the hardest for me.

February 17, 2016, 01:00 AM	#27
hartcreek Junior member Join Date: April 22, 2014 Location: Washington Posts: 1,549	ScatCat I have posted here before how I set up my mothers purse. I found several leather purses at Good Will. I let her pick the one she wanted for her gun purse. The outside pocket on the purse is her gun pocket nothing else is in that pocket except her Airweight and two speed loaders. I then bought the correct IWB holster and using Hillman bolts that you can find at good hardware stores bolted the holster in the purse it the draw position that she wanted. By bolting the holster in place through the inside wall of the purse the holster and gun stay solidly in place.

February 17, 2016, 03:04 AM	#31
labhound Senior Member Join Date: August 24, 2010 Posts: 363	Scatcatt IMHO you handled the situation correctly. If he had his head in your window, his hands could have been on your neck in an instant and you wouldn't have had time to grope around in your bag for your gun let alone try and reach for the ignition to start your car and put it in gear. Fortunately you didn't have to draw and he retreated, but you were prepared in case drawing became necessary.

February 17, 2016, 08:43 AM	#32
redhologram Senior Member Join Date: January 14, 2013 Posts: 352	I shot you an email. (Pardon the pun)

February 17, 2016, 01:40 PM	#38
pacerdude Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 2008 Location: Columbia, SC Posts: 607	My mom carries her Sig P-238 in a Montana West Concealment purse.

February 17, 2016, 02:29 PM	#40
TailGator Senior Member Join Date: May 8, 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 3,809	My wife actually uses a Remora holster in a pocket of her purse. That way the trigger and safety are covered, and the stickiness of the holster's outer surface maintains a reasonable orientation for the pistol.

February 17, 2016, 03:18 PM	#44
Slopemeno Senior Member Join Date: January 19, 2007 Posts: 2,663	It sounds like a win to me. Maybe next time- park facing out. Window up. I eat at the "dashboard diner" too much, and I usually find another lot to eat in. And yeah- another aggressive panhandler most likely.

February 17, 2016, 03:25 PM	#45
Scatcatt Member Join Date: January 21, 2016 Posts: 74	No doubt my window should have been up.

February 17, 2016, 03:33 PM	#46
zincwarrior Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2011 Location: Texas, land of Tex-Mex Posts: 2,261	I've ordered from the car at Sonic. They way the set up is there are indeed a lot of blindspots.

February 17, 2016, 04:21 PM	#48
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 12,426	The level of retention of kydex itself depends on how tightly molded the manufacturer wants to make it. Sometimes they offer a tensioning mechanism as well. Usually the minimalist holsters offer a retention where the pistol feels like it almost pops into place. But again, this can depend on the manufacturer. I've known folks that use those minimalist holsters and anchor them inside of glove boxes for instance using the chord. The idea is that as you pull the pistol out the chord holds the holster and the holster stays put as you pull back on the pistol. I would think anchoring it in a purse would be possible, though a small purse might be challenging.

February 17, 2016, 07:02 PM	#49
Limnophile Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2015 Location: Issaquah, Washington Posts: 1,033	^ That's a good idea allowing for a one-handed draw from the glovebox. I need both hands to draw my CZ 82 from its military flap holster that resides in my glovebox. TailGator's idea of using a Remora holster sounds good. Get the "3-in-1" model and you have a diversity of carry options -- pocket (purse, pants, or jacket), IWB, ankle, and thigh.

February 17, 2016, 08:06 PM	#50
Scatcatt Member Join Date: January 21, 2016 Posts: 74	Indeed, good prices too. I'm looking at them as we speak.