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Old December 2, 2021, 02:06 PM   #1
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Heritage carbine vs 16" handgun

I was wondering if anyone has both, the heritage revolving carbine, and the 16" barrel handgun.
It looks to me like they are the same frame and barrel, just a different backstrap and stock. Anyone have both and can compare?
i ask because I have the pistol, and they sell the carbine backstrap and stock on their website, and the barrel is just barely legal for a rifle.
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Old December 2, 2021, 03:56 PM   #2
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If the OP installs a buttstock on his revolver he will run afoul of Federal SBR regulations. That is a very bad thing to do.

Just because you can doesn’t mean it’s a good idea.




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Old December 2, 2021, 09:08 PM   #3
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Opposite.

If you install it on the pistol, it becomes a rifle forever. Removing it becomes the problem.
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Old December 3, 2021, 01:04 AM   #4
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If the OP installs a buttstock on his revolver he will run afoul of Federal SBR regulations. That is a very bad thing to do.

Just because you can doesn’t mean it’s a good idea.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/if-p...possession-nfa
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Old December 3, 2021, 11:30 AM   #5
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totally legal

This pistol has a 16" barrel. That is legal for a rifle, as long as with the rifle stock it is overall 26" it is all legal.
And you can make a pistol into a rifle anytime you want without any paperwork, so long as the resulting rifle is 'legal'. You can switch it back to being a pistol anytime too... See ATF ruling 2011-4.
What you can't do is the opposite, take a rifle and make it into a pistol. You run afoul of 26 U.S.C. § 5845(a)(4)
That is why modular systems like TC contenders are legal. I just bought and transferred the receiver registered as a pistol. then get whatever barrels and stocks you want.

And heritage customer service is non existent. They don't even acknowledge receiving an email, and phone is answered somewhere in India I think. Ever since they got bought by Taurus they have gone to crap...
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Old December 7, 2021, 08:56 PM   #6
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So nobody knows if the carbine back strap will fit on the pistol frames? I would hate to buy one and have it not fit..
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Old December 7, 2021, 09:20 PM   #7
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Page 30 of the "instruction manual" link

https://heritagemfg.com/rough-rider-...-leather-sling
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Old December 7, 2021, 10:51 PM   #8
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Thanks.. though that doesn't help much
So if we use that exploded view, I can ask my question differently...
Is part 1.1.1 (frame) the same as the frame on the pistols. Same exact shape and screw placements..
Considering how cheap heritage has gotten, I really suspect it is.. the carbine is just the 16" barrel pistol with a different back strap and stock.
You can get the pistol for <$150, the carbine is still >$300. But, the carbine back strap and stock are just $70...
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Old December 8, 2021, 09:25 AM   #9
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It helps incredibly well! You just didn't look!

Page 28 of the small bore shows that the pistol has the grip as part of the lower frame. The carbine does not have the pistol grip as part of the frame.

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Old December 9, 2021, 01:23 PM   #10
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Well that's because a carbine doesn't have a pistol grip.
it has a shoulder stock mount. I'm not sure where you were looking, but in both cases the backstrap (with integrated trigger gaurd) bolts onto the frame.
Thats part 2 on the rancher, and part 12.3/12/4 on the pistols.. I suspect that 1.1.1 on the carbine is the same part as 6.2 on the pistol.
Its all moot since I ordered the parts anyway.. will see if they fit.

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Old December 9, 2021, 05:57 PM   #11
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I am willing to be wrong. But just looking at both frames, the grip on the pistol isn't going to allow the stock to fit. If it does, the pistol frame is way below the carbine stock.
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Old December 10, 2021, 10:25 PM   #12
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You remove the grip frame and replace it with the backstrap assembly and then attach the stock.https://www.shopheritagemfg.com/stocks
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Old December 10, 2021, 11:09 PM   #13
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I bet you physically can't attach it on purpose without swapping out the carbine grip frame thingy backstrap on the pistol. Here's the reason why:

Without that finger rest thingy on the carbine for your supporting hand, you're going to put your supporting hand in a bad place for gas and lead spitting.

Heritage would be really dumb to let you just put on the stock and not allow you a safe place to put your other hand...

Will be interesting to hear back.
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Old December 11, 2021, 12:24 AM   #14
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The grip frame for the stock is different from the pistol grip frame. My bet is the grip frames will interchange.
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Old December 18, 2021, 05:24 PM   #15
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Anxious to hear how it turns out. I looked at the handgun but after my wife asked if a flag would fly out saying BANG, I bought the carbine. Who can resist a revolving rifle?

You know that for cheap money you can buy a magnum cylinder, right?
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Old December 18, 2021, 06:07 PM   #16
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A Thompson Contender pistol can be switched to a rifle, then back to a pistol, right? As long as the overall length of the rifle meets minimum legal specs. Or am I wrong?
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Old January 1, 2022, 03:36 AM   #17
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Yes. This is wrong. If you have a short barrel and a stock, you have intent to make an SBR.


Waiting to hear back if the pistol grip frame part fits the stock. I don't think they do.
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Old January 2, 2022, 12:28 AM   #18
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You actually think they would make an entirely different frame for the rifle?
Do you know what a single action grip frame is, and how it attaches?
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