March 3, 2013, 10:25 AM | #1 |
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586 -vs- 27
I am doing a little shopping online. Other than a $200 diference in MSRP what is the diference between the 586 and 27? I see the 586 is full length underlug.
Both are the classic series blued.
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The 586 is a L-Frame, the 27 a N-Frame
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Forgive my ignorance, im not a "revolver guy", yet. The "N" frame is the heavier frame? Same as a 29?
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Compared to the L frame, it has a slightly larger grip circumference and LOP, although overall weight is remarkably close due to the full underlug barrel on the M586. Also, some recent versions of the M27 are 8-shot. Almost all M586's are 6-shot except for some rare and generally expensive Performance Center versions. Other than the finish and the lack of a common 7-shot version, the M586 is fundamentally the same as the more ubiquitous stainless Model 686.
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Recent Pro Series or PC versions of 627 are 8 shot but the classic 27 is still a 6 shooter ! I have a Pro Series 627 w 4" barrel and really like it....very accurate and easy to train in DA mode !
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Hi,
The L frame is the medium large size revolver. The N frame is the large frame revolver. I liken the L frame to a K frame on steroids. Same grip size as the K frame but beefed in the forcing cone and yoke area. Plus the full lug barrel. For people like me who have average or smaller hands the L frame is a fine revolver. The N frame to me suits people with large hands. Longer reach to the trigger and also weight feels farther back in the hands. I have had both L and N frame revolvers. For me I shoot the L frame a little better. Just opinion. Howard |
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Thanks for the clarification. From the S&W website its hard to get an idea. I will probably end up on the side of a 27 because my other revolver is a XVR which im sure has the larger grip. Love the classic blued look on older revolers and pistols.
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If I didn't own an "N" frame (Mod 28), I'd own a 586 or 686. Fits my hand better and a few ounces lighter.
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The 5/686 is smaller and more comfortable to hold than the bulking N frame which, if it was any bigger I couldn't hold it, but I love both of them.
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Grips are easy to change out...I own a J frame , K frame , and 3 N frame revolvers and never had a problem finding good grips that fit right ! That being said I have large hands so the stock N frame Hogue grips fit my hand well !
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No comparison, get the 27! You'll be glad you did.
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That is sort of an inside joke from a post on here the last few days
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As for the feel of the grip on the gun, I would not let that factor in much. Aftermarket grips for an N frame could make the grip feel smaller than a L frame and of course, vice versa. For example, even from the factory, you could get N frame magna grips (reveals the grip frame) and you could get L frame standard target grips (wraps around front strap and butt) and the N frame then feels smaller in hand. I have many sets of factory grips, and many sets of aftermarket grips for these revolvers, and the feel is definitely mostly grip dependent. You can even get grips which make a round butt revolver feel like a square butt revolver. Its all in what works best for you.
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Winchester_73 brings up a very good point about the underlug. While the actual difference in weight is quite small, the presence/absence of the full underlug makes a very disticnt difference in the balance of the revolver. My M28 (the plain-jane version of the M27) feels lighter in my hand than a 586 or comparable L-Frame because the balance point is over my hand rather than in front of it. In my hands, a full-underlug barrel longer than 3" feels much more muzzle heavy than a half-lug barrel of 4-6". Accentuating this further is the fact that the 586 has a heavy barrel while the M27/28 has a tapered barrel. Some people prefer a more muzzle-heavy balance point while others, myself included, prefer the balance to be farther back. The only advice I can give is to handle both and buy whichever you like the feel of better.
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The L frames (586, 686) are almost the same size through the cylinder and frame, they just used the smaller grip of the K frame ( model 10, 19, etc.),and a very slightly smaller cylinder and frame.
The guns are close enough that many holsters will work with either frame size. Some grips are big,even on the K and L frames, but with the assortment of revolver grips available almost anyone can find a grip they can use on an N- frame. As to weight. The 27 with it's thinner barrel and shorter ejector shroud is actually lighter than the 586/686. |
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Main difference beside size and weight is the 28 will eat a steady diet of full house old school 357mags the *86 series will not. Or you could be a gp100 ruger.
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The L frame should have no problem eating a steady diet of full house 357 magnum loads. I love the GP100 but I doubt it's any stronger than a forged L frame S&W.
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Main difference beside size and weight is the 28 will eat a steady diet of full house old school 357mags the *86 series will not. Or you could be a gp100 ruger.
I think your mistaken on the steady diet of 357 load in a 586/686. It was designed to handle full power 357 loads with out damage to the cone or any other part.
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I bought the 586 last year. Fantastic firearm. You will not be disappointed.
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