legal or not

deadmonkey90 · February 13, 2009, 01:12 PM

i thought sound suppressors(silencers) were illegal. But in my new special weapons magazine there are 4 advertisements for silencers. and i looked at the web sight and it seems pretty legit.

kraigwy · February 13, 2009, 01:15 PM

They are legal but you have to pay for a $200 stamp from ATF. Just like full autos.

FALPhil · February 13, 2009, 01:15 PM

Depends on the jurisdiction.

**Mike Irwin** · February 13, 2009, 01:15 PM

They're perfectly legal as long as you follow all applicable Federal and state laws, which includes paying a $200 transfer tax to the Feds.

Derekadavis · February 13, 2009, 02:07 PM

:http://advanced-armament.com/ownership.asp

oldkim · February 13, 2009, 03:24 PM

Is it legal?

It varies from state to state.

Like in Washington you can legally own one with the proper federal "stamp" and paperwork BUT you can't legally shoot it. So, even if it's legal to have it with all the proper paperwork it may not be "legally" legal to shoot it.

Some places you can or need to work around the "system" by "incorporating yourself or an entity." Do a google search to find out more info.

You'll need to do some homework to best find out what is the best way for you and your state/jurisdiction.

hoytinak · February 13, 2009, 03:27 PM

Also check out www.silencerresearch.com for some good info.

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldkim

Like in Washington you can legally own one with the proper federal "stamp" and paperwork BUT you can't legally shoot it.

Aren't yall in the process of fixing that so you can actually have fun with your toys?

T. O'Heir · February 15, 2009, 11:42 PM

"...It varies from State to State..." Yep. The daft part is that some States allow suppressors, but not MG's. Some allow MG's but not supressors. Some allow both and some neither.
Up here, the firearms laws are Federal, period. Then the previous idiot government came up with a really bad set of laws and gave the administration of them to the Provinces. Now the laws are not applied equally across the country.

David Hineline · February 16, 2009, 01:14 AM

Now you have a choice of the Blue pill or the Red pill.

PTK · February 16, 2009, 01:19 AM

Silencers in the USA at the Federal level are not now and never have been illegal, just taxed since 1934.

Gun Trust Lawyer · February 17, 2009, 12:21 PM

Its funny how many people believe that silencers are illegal. While some states prohibit the sale, possession, and/or use of a silencer, they are legal in many states. I have tried to put together a list of which Title II firearms are legal in each state. You can find what you can legally own in your state at http://www.GunTrustLawyer.com/ .

In many states like Florida you can own and use a silencer but not hunt with one. Before buying one, you should see if your intended use is legal.

fbrown333@suddenlink · February 17, 2009, 12:36 PM

Thanks for the good info

SwampYankee · February 17, 2009, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Silencers in the USA at the Federal level are not now and never have been illegal, just taxed since 1934.

This is misleading. Yes, the Federal government does not outlaw silencers and as long as you do the paperwork and pay the tax, you can own one. However, individual states can and do make ownership of silencers and machine guns illegal. You will not be able to purchase or own a silencer in many states so you need to check you state statutes before you jump into a purchase.

RAnb · February 17, 2009, 02:25 PM

The feds to not ban silencers, but they are excessively controlled by the National Firearms Act of 1934. This law requires that an unlicensed person who makes or buys a silencer (or other title 2 weapon) fill out the ATF form 4 (to buy) or ATF form 1 (to make) and send it in along with form 5330.20 attesting to their US citizenship, finger prints, mug shots, and a check for $200. The ATF form 1 or 4 has to be signed by your local sheriff. If you use a trust or Corp. then the 5330.20, fingerprints, photos and sheriff sig are not required. I have never heard of any person who filled out the forms correctly being denied approval to transfer. The process can be easier than getting a first time driver's license, but more time consuming and sometimes more expensive.

Only 38 states allow unlicensed civilians to own silencers. AL, AR, AK, AZ, CO, CT, FL, GA, ID, IN, KS, KY, LA, ME, MD, MO, MS, MT, NE, ND, NV, NH, NM, NC, OH, OK, OR, PA, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VA, WA, WV, WI, and WY allow unlicensed civilians to own silencers. WA bans use. TX and FL (and maybe some others) ban them unless the owner can prove they are registered with the feds. CA, IA, KS, MA, MO, and MI allow dealers and manufacturers (FFL/SOT classes 2 and 3) to own silencers.

Ranb

jerryd · February 18, 2009, 01:54 PM

The laws vary state to state and some of them make no sense! Take for instance CT where i live, ican have a fully auto say M-60 but cant have a select fire M-16!!! Go figure that one out1

Gun Trust Lawyer · February 18, 2009, 03:09 PM

After July 1, 2008 Silencers are permitted in Kansas

McBrideGuns · February 18, 2009, 03:11 PM

Here in Mississippi you can own and even deer hunt with them I didnt know this until last year www.worldwidefirearms.com. this is the website I got my info from.

February 13, 2009, 01:12 PM	#1
deadmonkey90 Member Join Date: February 12, 2009 Posts: 16	legal or not i thought sound suppressors(silencers) were illegal. But in my new special weapons magazine there are 4 advertisements for silencers. and i looked at the web sight and it seems pretty legit.

February 13, 2009, 01:15 PM	#2
kraigwy Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2008 Location: Wyoming Posts: 11,061	They are legal but you have to pay for a $200 stamp from ATF. Just like full autos. __________________ Kraig Stuart CPT USAR Ret USAMU Sniper School Distinguished Rifle Badge 1071

February 13, 2009, 02:07 PM	#5
Derekadavis Senior Member Join Date: December 27, 2008 Location: Dallas,Tx Posts: 103	:http://advanced-armament.com/ownership.asp __________________ USCCA & NRA Member

February 13, 2009, 03:24 PM	#6
oldkim Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2008 Location: Renton, WA Posts: 462	just a word of warning Is it legal? It varies from state to state. Like in Washington you can legally own one with the proper federal "stamp" and paperwork BUT you can't legally shoot it. So, even if it's legal to have it with all the proper paperwork it may not be "legally" legal to shoot it. Some places you can or need to work around the "system" by "incorporating yourself or an entity." Do a google search to find out more info. You'll need to do some homework to best find out what is the best way for you and your state/jurisdiction. __________________ "Shoot Safetly, Shoot Often and Share Your Sport." Jim Scoutten, Shooting USA Check out my new website: www.shootonthemove.org

February 15, 2009, 11:42 PM	#8
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	"...It varies from State to State..." Yep. The daft part is that some States allow suppressors, but not MG's. Some allow MG's but not supressors. Some allow both and some neither. Up here, the firearms laws are Federal, period. Then the previous idiot government came up with a really bad set of laws and gave the administration of them to the Provinces. Now the laws are not applied equally across the country. __________________ Spelling and grammar count!

February 13, 2009, 01:15 PM	#3
FALPhil Senior Member Join Date: September 10, 2007 Location: Racoon City Posts: 934	Depends on the jurisdiction.

February 13, 2009, 01:15 PM	#4
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,390	They're perfectly legal as long as you follow all applicable Federal and state laws, which includes paying a $200 transfer tax to the Feds.

February 16, 2009, 01:14 AM	#9
David Hineline Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 1999 Location: South Sioux City, Nebraska Posts: 704	Now you have a choice Now you have a choice of the Blue pill or the Red pill.

February 16, 2009, 01:19 AM	#10
PTK Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2008 Posts: 442	Silencers in the USA at the Federal level are not now and never have been illegal, just taxed since 1934.

February 17, 2009, 12:21 PM	#11
Gun Trust Lawyer Junior Member Join Date: February 17, 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 11	Are silencers legal Its funny how many people believe that silencers are illegal. While some states prohibit the sale, possession, and/or use of a silencer, they are legal in many states. I have tried to put together a list of which Title II firearms are legal in each state. You can find what you can legally own in your state at http://www.GunTrustLawyer.com/ . In many states like Florida you can own and use a silencer but not hunt with one. Before buying one, you should see if your intended use is legal. __________________ David Goldman , Esquire - Apple Law Firm, PLLC Tel (904) 685-1200 http://www.GunTrustLawyer.com/

February 17, 2009, 12:36 PM	#12
fbrown333@suddenlink Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2007 Location: West Virginia Posts: 240	very good site Thanks for the good info __________________ Accuracy over volume

February 17, 2009, 02:25 PM	#14
RAnb Junior member Join Date: July 20, 2008 Location: WA, USA Posts: 447	The feds to not ban silencers, but they are excessively controlled by the National Firearms Act of 1934. This law requires that an unlicensed person who makes or buys a silencer (or other title 2 weapon) fill out the ATF form 4 (to buy) or ATF form 1 (to make) and send it in along with form 5330.20 attesting to their US citizenship, finger prints, mug shots, and a check for $200. The ATF form 1 or 4 has to be signed by your local sheriff. If you use a trust or Corp. then the 5330.20, fingerprints, photos and sheriff sig are not required. I have never heard of any person who filled out the forms correctly being denied approval to transfer. The process can be easier than getting a first time driver's license, but more time consuming and sometimes more expensive. Only 38 states allow unlicensed civilians to own silencers. AL, AR, AK, AZ, CO, CT, FL, GA, ID, IN, KS, KY, LA, ME, MD, MO, MS, MT, NE, ND, NV, NH, NM, NC, OH, OK, OR, PA, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VA, WA, WV, WI, and WY allow unlicensed civilians to own silencers. WA bans use. TX and FL (and maybe some others) ban them unless the owner can prove they are registered with the feds. CA, IA, KS, MA, MO, and MI allow dealers and manufacturers (FFL/SOT classes 2 and 3) to own silencers. Ranb

February 18, 2009, 01:54 PM	#15
jerryd Senior Member Join Date: May 21, 2004 Location: Ct. Posts: 131	The laws vary state to state and some of them make no sense! Take for instance CT where i live, ican have a fully auto say M-60 but cant have a select fire M-16!!! Go figure that one out1

February 18, 2009, 03:09 PM	#16
Gun Trust Lawyer Junior Member Join Date: February 17, 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 11	KS allsow Silencers After July 1, 2008 Silencers are permitted in Kansas __________________ David Goldman , Esquire - Apple Law Firm, PLLC Tel (904) 685-1200 http://www.GunTrustLawyer.com/

February 18, 2009, 03:11 PM	#17
McBrideGuns Member Join Date: January 6, 2006 Location: Mississippi Posts: 77	Here in Mississippi you can own and even deer hunt with them I didnt know this until last year www.worldwidefirearms.com. this is the website I got my info from.