NJ rabbi designs concealed-carry coat for Shabbat

BobCat45 · October 10, 2021, 07:13 AM

This is just too amusing to not pass along. Please forgive any apparent transgressions against forum rules or good tate - none intended.

There is an article in the NY Post (I know, it is a tabloid rag, but I read anything with words in a row and don't believe everything I read) - https://nypost.com/2021/10/09/nj-rab...t-for-shabbat/
about an Orthodox Jewish Rabbi (who is also an NRA firearms instructor) who designed a concealed carry coat for Orthodox married men, that has snaps instead of buttons.

Apparently the "rules" say that married men have to wear a specific type of long coat to the synagogue, just as some other orthodox religions prescribe certain dress codes.

This guy was peeved he couldn't get to his Glock without fooling with a bunch of buttons, so he re-designed the coat with snaps to speed his draw.

All I can say is "The times they are a-changin'.'"

BornFighting88 · October 12, 2021, 06:48 AM

Too bad they probably can’t ever use it in the state it was designed in…. Poor Jersey inma….. I mean residents!!

DT Guy · November 11, 2021, 03:41 PM

From the article, it sounds like they store firearms at the synagogue, and are able to wear them on the property. Good work-around.

Larry

BobCat45 · November 11, 2021, 06:20 PM

Yes, I missed or glossed over that part - it seems so unnatural to not be able to legally holster up and go.

The article says:

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Cohen, who holds a concealed carry permit in a handful of states, also holds a permit to own and purchase firearms and ammunition with a license in New Jersey. (There are firearms that are legally able to be stored in the synagogue, which the rabbi has access to.)

Weird to think of a synagogue with an arms room. And I wonder if they can hold congregants weapons for them, so they can have them during services.

I knew a guy once who was Orthodox, and he and his Rabbi went back and forth about whether carrying a gun was work, like carrying a bag of potatoes, or whether "carrying" a gun meant "wearing" it. Apparently anything that is classified as "work" is forbidden on the Sabbath since it is the day of rest.

Life can get complicated if you let it.

DaleA · November 11, 2021, 06:41 PM

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Life can get complicated if you let it.

There's some truth right there.
P.S. I'm stealing that phrase.

BobCat45 · November 11, 2021, 07:47 PM

Please - "adopting" or "appropriating" or even just "using" - no copyright, no ownership, not stealing.

But can you imagine someone whose Life is so slow and calm that he can seriously debate whether carrying a gun for self defense is "work", within the framework of "work" being proscribed on a particular day of rest?

How many .357 JHPs can dance on the head of a pin? Does the answer change if they are 158 grain or 125 grain?

**4V50 Gary** · November 12, 2021, 10:33 AM

I asked an old time SFPD officer in the '90s how they'd carried their guns under their single or double breasted jackets. He told me he carried his in a cross draw rig and had snaps for quick access.

I did the same with my vest holster. I had the shirt buttons sewn onto the front of shirt and had a zipper beneath (I hate velcro) that gave me relatively quick access to a backup 22 LR.

However, I do commend this man for taking steps to defend himself. May he always walk in God's path and light.

BobCat45 · November 12, 2021, 07:17 PM

Wow! So there really is "nothing new under the sun"!

Buttons - who would have thought that in the 21st Century we'd still be using buttons? And shoe laces...

Anyway snaps and zippers sound like the best bets. I remember the first time I saw Velcro and couldn't figure out how it worked... it sounded like it was being torn so how can it go back together so smoothly?

I have to keep thinking about this. I wear a "cover shirt" over my CZ75B in IWB but in the winter (laugh, we really do have a few truly cold days in Houston) I wear a jacket - with a zipper. Not as fast as elbowing the shirt aside, so I need to think about modifications. "I've never had to draw in a hurry" is almost as unsatisfactory as "I didn't know it was loaded."

**4V50 Gary** · November 13, 2021, 12:31 PM

I once considered designing an electronic sear release but then I read W. W. Greener's The Gun and Its Development. Some Englishment beat me to it over a century ago!

BobCat45 · November 13, 2021, 06:27 PM

The appeal of an electronic sear release is clear, especially to me with my tendency to "snatch" at the trigger. But I'm so distrustful of electrical things... Beats me.

I seem to recall that the rounds fired by the electric Gatling gun in the A-10 are electrically initiated. Apparently the whole process is too fast for them to fool around with a hammer or striker igniting a primer to ignite the main charge. But I've never heard of an electronic sear release on a modern rifle or pistol.

October 10, 2021, 07:13 AM	#1
BobCat45 Senior Member Join Date: May 18, 2004 Location: East Bernard, TX Posts: 524	NJ rabbi designs concealed-carry coat for Shabbat This is just too amusing to not pass along. Please forgive any apparent transgressions against forum rules or good tate - none intended. There is an article in the NY Post (I know, it is a tabloid rag, but I read anything with words in a row and don't believe everything I read) - https://nypost.com/2021/10/09/nj-rab...t-for-shabbat/ about an Orthodox Jewish Rabbi (who is also an NRA firearms instructor) who designed a concealed carry coat for Orthodox married men, that has snaps instead of buttons. Apparently the "rules" say that married men have to wear a specific type of long coat to the synagogue, just as some other orthodox religions prescribe certain dress codes. This guy was peeved he couldn't get to his Glock without fooling with a bunch of buttons, so he re-designed the coat with snaps to speed his draw. All I can say is "The times they are a-changin'.'"

November 11, 2021, 03:41 PM	#3
DT Guy Senior Member Join Date: February 4, 2001 Posts: 959	From the article, it sounds like they store firearms at the synagogue, and are able to wear them on the property. Good work-around. Larry __________________ He who fights and runs away had better run pretty damn fast. Government, Anarchy and Chaos

November 12, 2021, 10:33 AM	#7
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,849	Nice, but really nothing new I asked an old time SFPD officer in the '90s how they'd carried their guns under their single or double breasted jackets. He told me he carried his in a cross draw rig and had snaps for quick access. I did the same with my vest holster. I had the shirt buttons sewn onto the front of shirt and had a zipper beneath (I hate velcro) that gave me relatively quick access to a backup 22 LR. However, I do commend this man for taking steps to defend himself. May he always walk in God's path and light. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

November 13, 2021, 12:31 PM	#9
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,849	I once considered designing an electronic sear release but then I read W. W. Greener's The Gun and Its Development. Some Englishment beat me to it over a century ago! __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

October 12, 2021, 06:48 AM	#2
BornFighting88 Senior Member Join Date: August 1, 2021 Posts: 455	Too bad they probably can’t ever use it in the state it was designed in…. Poor Jersey inma….. I mean residents!!

November 11, 2021, 07:47 PM	#6
BobCat45 Senior Member Join Date: May 18, 2004 Location: East Bernard, TX Posts: 524	Please - "adopting" or "appropriating" or even just "using" - no copyright, no ownership, not stealing. But can you imagine someone whose Life is so slow and calm that he can seriously debate whether carrying a gun for self defense is "work", within the framework of "work" being proscribed on a particular day of rest? How many .357 JHPs can dance on the head of a pin? Does the answer change if they are 158 grain or 125 grain?

November 12, 2021, 07:17 PM	#8
BobCat45 Senior Member Join Date: May 18, 2004 Location: East Bernard, TX Posts: 524	Wow! So there really is "nothing new under the sun"! Buttons - who would have thought that in the 21st Century we'd still be using buttons? And shoe laces... Anyway snaps and zippers sound like the best bets. I remember the first time I saw Velcro and couldn't figure out how it worked... it sounded like it was being torn so how can it go back together so smoothly? I have to keep thinking about this. I wear a "cover shirt" over my CZ75B in IWB but in the winter (laugh, we really do have a few truly cold days in Houston) I wear a jacket - with a zipper. Not as fast as elbowing the shirt aside, so I need to think about modifications. "I've never had to draw in a hurry" is almost as unsatisfactory as "I didn't know it was loaded."

November 13, 2021, 06:27 PM	#10
BobCat45 Senior Member Join Date: May 18, 2004 Location: East Bernard, TX Posts: 524	The appeal of an electronic sear release is clear, especially to me with my tendency to "snatch" at the trigger. But I'm so distrustful of electrical things... Beats me. I seem to recall that the rounds fired by the electric Gatling gun in the A-10 are electrically initiated. Apparently the whole process is too fast for them to fool around with a hammer or striker igniting a primer to ignite the main charge. But I've never heard of an electronic sear release on a modern rifle or pistol.