Kirst or Uberti conversion

Imtherealdirtydan · December 27, 2023, 02:18 AM

Why is it when you use a Kirst converter it’s only 5 shots while Uberti manages to get 6?

Is it possible to buy the Uberti conversion 1851 navy and swap an 1851 black powder navy end with the loading lever?

Hawg · December 27, 2023, 06:23 AM

Uberti conversions are slightly bigger

JimCunn · December 27, 2023, 06:28 AM

This is speculative.....
Possibly so the bolt slot won't directly overlie the enlarged chambers.
I've got a 5 shot Kirst .45 acp cylinder on a Uberti 1860 Army and am quite happy with it.

Imtherealdirtydan · December 27, 2023, 01:48 PM

So there’s no shot it would work?
I don’t like paying close to how much the gun costs to loose the cool engravings and a shot when I could pay once for the conversion model and have all of it.. the only downside is they don’t have a converted London version nor can you load black powder if you wanted.

Hawg · December 27, 2023, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Imtherealdirtydan

So there’s no shot it would work?
I don’t like paying close to how much the gun costs to loose the cool engravings and a shot when I could pay once for the conversion model and have all of it.. the only downside is they don’t have a converted London version nor can you load black powder if you wanted.

Highly doubtful it would work. Why couldn't you load black powder? I'm not sure I understand. First you ask about a six shot cylinder, then you say Uberti doesn't offer a converted London model. Uberti doesn't sell a .44 navy. They have sold 1851 models that had steel grip frames but they're .38 special.

Imtherealdirtydan · December 27, 2023, 07:57 PM

I’m okay with 38 special,

Essentially I’m looking for a London 1851 navy model that is converted and still has the loading lever. But on their website they don’t have a London conversion, unless I buy part for part.

Hawg · December 27, 2023, 08:12 PM

The .38 conversion cylinders are six shot but you will have to use heeled or hollow based bullets. I didn't understand what you meant when you said you couldn't use bp. You meant you couldn't use loose powder and caps. Most people from what I've seen don't go back to cap and ball once they have a conversion cylinder. Personally I wouldn't want a Colt conversion without an ejector.

JimCunn · December 28, 2023, 02:24 PM

I just use an Allen wrench ror an ejector in my .45acp Conversion.

Imtherealdirtydan · December 29, 2023, 01:42 AM

Does the Kirst have the safety notch as well?

JimCunn · December 29, 2023, 05:21 AM

Yes.
Pull the hammer back to half cock and lower it.

December 27, 2023, 02:18 AM	#1
Imtherealdirtydan Junior Member Join Date: December 17, 2023 Posts: 6	Kirst or Uberti conversion Why is it when you use a Kirst converter it’s only 5 shots while Uberti manages to get 6? Is it possible to buy the Uberti conversion 1851 navy and swap an 1851 black powder navy end with the loading lever?

December 27, 2023, 06:23 AM	#2
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,190	Uberti conversions are slightly bigger

December 27, 2023, 06:28 AM	#3
JimCunn Senior Member Join Date: April 6, 2019 Posts: 124	This is speculative..... Possibly so the bolt slot won't directly overlie the enlarged chambers. I've got a 5 shot Kirst .45 acp cylinder on a Uberti 1860 Army and am quite happy with it.

December 27, 2023, 01:48 PM	#4
Imtherealdirtydan Junior Member Join Date: December 17, 2023 Posts: 6	So there’s no shot it would work? I don’t like paying close to how much the gun costs to loose the cool engravings and a shot when I could pay once for the conversion model and have all of it.. the only downside is they don’t have a converted London version nor can you load black powder if you wanted.

December 27, 2023, 07:57 PM	#6
Imtherealdirtydan Junior Member Join Date: December 17, 2023 Posts: 6	I’m okay with 38 special, Essentially I’m looking for a London 1851 navy model that is converted and still has the loading lever. But on their website they don’t have a London conversion, unless I buy part for part.

December 27, 2023, 08:12 PM	#7
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,190	The .38 conversion cylinders are six shot but you will have to use heeled or hollow based bullets. I didn't understand what you meant when you said you couldn't use bp. You meant you couldn't use loose powder and caps. Most people from what I've seen don't go back to cap and ball once they have a conversion cylinder. Personally I wouldn't want a Colt conversion without an ejector.

December 28, 2023, 02:24 PM	#8
JimCunn Senior Member Join Date: April 6, 2019 Posts: 124	I just use an Allen wrench ror an ejector in my .45acp Conversion.

December 29, 2023, 01:42 AM	#9
Imtherealdirtydan Junior Member Join Date: December 17, 2023 Posts: 6	Does the Kirst have the safety notch as well?

December 29, 2023, 05:21 AM	#10
JimCunn Senior Member Join Date: April 6, 2019 Posts: 124	Yes. Pull the hammer back to half cock and lower it.