Ohio deer rifle

Drm50 · November 13, 2014, 09:39 PM

Ohio has new deer season for rifles in limited calibres. I find myself with only a
Marlin 45/70 to use this year. I want to build single shot 375 Win. Out of a BSA
Martini wildcat that I picked up cheap. My big idea is to load it with Speer 235 gr
spitzers, a good shooting bullet in 375 H&H. I have loaded 375 win only with
flat nose bullets, not impressed. With pointed bullet out of single shot, should be
able to run 24-2500 fps. Anybody tried anything like this. Any info appreciated.
Law: 38cal or larger, straight rimmed case.

TimSr · November 14, 2014, 07:43 AM

This is actually what Ohio law says for this year. It's likely to have more added in subsequent years.

Straight-walled cartridge rifles in the following calibers:
.357 Magnum, .357 Maximum, .38 Special, .375 Super Magnum,
.375 Winchester, .38-55, .41 Long Colt, .41 Magnum, .44 Special,
.44 Magnum, .444 Marlin, .45 ACP, .45 Colt, .45 Long Colt,
.45 Winchester Magnum, .45 Smith & Wesson, .454 Casull,
.460 Smith & Wesson, .45-70, .45-90, .45-110, .475 Linebaugh, .50-70,
.50-90, .50-100, .50-110, and .500 Smith & Wesson.

riflemen · November 18, 2014, 06:03 PM

i would stick with the 45-70, I used mine for white tail its a fine rifle for that... Recoil is a little excessive but one shot one deer, bring a pistol for the ks if need be...

Kevin Rohrer · November 18, 2014, 09:52 PM

"ONLY"?!

The 45-70 can be loaded up close to .458mag levels.

JasoninSD · November 18, 2014, 10:56 PM

I'm not sure of the merits of the 375 but the 45/70 should be more than capable of taking any deer you might come across.

Exactly how small are these OH deer if .38 spl is a legal cartridge?

**Unclenick** · November 19, 2014, 03:01 PM

Regular whitetails. Any pistol cartridge can kill them just fine if the range is reasonable.

We have, in the past in Ohio, allowed muzzle loaders and slug guns. Someone finally wised up to the fact the ballistics really aren't very different in commercial loads with a number of the cartridges mentioned. The idea is that high power rifles carry too far and land in populated areas too easily. They want slow, poorly aerodynamic projectiles used for that reason. In some places that concern is legitimate, and in others not so much. We'll see how the changes evolve.

TimSr · November 20, 2014, 07:34 AM

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Exactly how small are these OH deer if .38 spl is a legal cartridge?

That was the list of legal cartridges for rifles. Pistol is .357 or larger with min. 5" barrel. Your .38 from a carbine is probably equal or better than .357 pistol, but I thought it was dumb also. Rifles that shoot .38 and not .357 aren't all that common, and I can't understand why anyone would opt for .38s to hunt deer if their carbine fires both.

ammo.crafter · November 20, 2014, 08:12 AM

I have a 23 inch single shot Contender in 357 Maximum and it is a fantastic deer cartridge.

Investigate the stats, you will be surprised.

Good hunting!

Drm50 · November 21, 2014, 09:43 PM

45/ 70 is to much gun for white tails. I would use my 30/30 or 35 rem, but
their not leagal under new law. Building a 375 win, long barrel, firing spitzer
bullet is about the best long range combo I can think of. I have changed my
mind on action, now thinking of a 788 rem in 30/30. With my luck next year
they will make 30/30 types legal after I drop a few bucks on this project.

ckpj99 · November 21, 2014, 10:13 PM

I wonder if one of those mare's legs in 45 Long Colt firing Hornady Critical Defense would be a good rig. So long as you keep your range within 50 yards, you wouldn't have any accuracy problems, and the darn things are super handy. They aren't too much fun at the range because they're a little awkward to shoot, but for one shot on a deer it might be perfect.

TimSr · November 22, 2014, 07:53 PM

Use a 300gr bullet and do starting loads for traditional Springfield, and you'll pretty much have a "Ruger/contender" 45LC equivalent. I wouldn't be surprised to see "rifle caliber pistols" added next year.

Drm50 · November 23, 2014, 12:17 AM

I've got no complaints on power of my 95 , 45/70. I'm shooting a 300 gr. Hp
With 58 gr of IMR 3031 and win LR primers in Win cases, at 2000fps. This is
redline load for 1895 Marlin (check manual to see what is safe in your gun)
I had Lyman 66 recieiver site on it, took off and mounted 3x9 Burris, my eyes
ain't what they use to be. My 14 yr. old nephew is using gun today, youth season. I just think it's to much gun for deer.

ctsdaxx · November 23, 2014, 07:47 PM

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been researching the 460 and 500 S&W a lot lately and cant find much info. Many say just look at the 450 bushmaster but no real info on the calibers I am interested in.
I am very curious on ballistics and trajectories for both out of 20" kathadin barrels and also custom 26" barrels. I am looking more at a 460 MGM barrel right now just because of the flatter trajectory but have also seen some custom loads for the 500 that are flat also. I am reloading so ammo cost is no difference just the barrel for my encore. Anyone with ANY info at all I would greatly appreciate it.

**44 AMP** · November 26, 2014, 12:18 AM

Quote:

"ONLY"?!

The 45-70 can be loaded up close to .458mag levels.

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ONLY in certain guns, and only if by "close" you mean within 300fps.

The .45-70, with traditional loads is fine for deer. People been killing deer with them since 1873.

Recoil is a matter of what gun and what load you use. Near .458 Win mag level loads in a 6lb Ruger No.3 is NOT pleasant. Blackpowder level loads from a 12lb Sharps isn't uncomfortable, for me.

TimSr · November 27, 2014, 09:09 PM

Quote:

I've got no complaints on power of my 95 , 45/70. I'm shooting a 300 gr. Hp
With 58 gr of IMR 3031 and win LR primers in Win cases, at 2000fps. This is
redline load for 1895 Marlin (check manual to see what is safe in your gun)

If it is too much gun, you can load it down even further. Lyman's max load for 300gr bullet is 48gr of 3031 for an 1883 Springfield model which runs it out the rifle at around 1650, similar to hot .45 LC.

ripnbst · November 27, 2014, 11:33 PM

If they will only allow cartridges with beach ball trajectories you should introduce them to .300 BLK. You could shoot that out of an AR using standard everything but barrel and be all set.

Clark · November 28, 2014, 12:54 AM

357 max throated long could be a 400 yard deer rifle at 10 pounds and 7mmRM level recoil. I was just thinking about that. I need a throater and the long range bullets.

I suspect ammo.crafter above has either been doing that or has a simulation program.

November 13, 2014, 09:39 PM	#1
Drm50 Senior Member Join Date: November 10, 2014 Posts: 1,382	Ohio deer rifle Ohio has new deer season for rifles in limited calibres. I find myself with only a Marlin 45/70 to use this year. I want to build single shot 375 Win. Out of a BSA Martini wildcat that I picked up cheap. My big idea is to load it with Speer 235 gr spitzers, a good shooting bullet in 375 H&H. I have loaded 375 win only with flat nose bullets, not impressed. With pointed bullet out of single shot, should be able to run 24-2500 fps. Anybody tried anything like this. Any info appreciated. Law: 38cal or larger, straight rimmed case.

November 18, 2014, 09:52 PM	#4
Kevin Rohrer Senior Member Join Date: May 19, 2010 Location: Medina, Ohio Posts: 1,049	"ONLY"?! The 45-70 can be loaded up close to .458mag levels. __________________ Member: Orange Gunsite Family, NRA--Life, ARTCA, and American Legion. Caveat Emptor: Cavery Grips/AmericanGripz/Prestige Grips/Stealth Grips from Clayton, NC. He is a scammer

November 19, 2014, 03:01 PM	#6
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,063	Regular whitetails. Any pistol cartridge can kill them just fine if the range is reasonable. We have, in the past in Ohio, allowed muzzle loaders and slug guns. Someone finally wised up to the fact the ballistics really aren't very different in commercial loads with a number of the cartridges mentioned. The idea is that high power rifles carry too far and land in populated areas too easily. They want slow, poorly aerodynamic projectiles used for that reason. In some places that concern is legitimate, and in others not so much. We'll see how the changes evolve. __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

November 20, 2014, 08:12 AM	#8
ammo.crafter Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2006 Location: The Keystone State Posts: 1,970	Ohio I have a 23 inch single shot Contender in 357 Maximum and it is a fantastic deer cartridge. Investigate the stats, you will be surprised. Good hunting! __________________ "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading". --Thomas Jefferson

November 21, 2014, 09:43 PM	#9
Drm50 Senior Member Join Date: November 10, 2014 Posts: 1,382	45/70 for deer 45/ 70 is to much gun for white tails. I would use my 30/30 or 35 rem, but their not leagal under new law. Building a 375 win, long barrel, firing spitzer bullet is about the best long range combo I can think of. I have changed my mind on action, now thinking of a 788 rem in 30/30. With my luck next year they will make 30/30 types legal after I drop a few bucks on this project.

November 14, 2014, 07:43 AM	#2
TimSr Senior Member Join Date: March 8, 2013 Location: Rittman, Ohio Posts: 2,074	This is actually what Ohio law says for this year. It's likely to have more added in subsequent years. Straight-walled cartridge rifles in the following calibers: .357 Magnum, .357 Maximum, .38 Special, .375 Super Magnum, .375 Winchester, .38-55, .41 Long Colt, .41 Magnum, .44 Special, .44 Magnum, .444 Marlin, .45 ACP, .45 Colt, .45 Long Colt, .45 Winchester Magnum, .45 Smith & Wesson, .454 Casull, .460 Smith & Wesson, .45-70, .45-90, .45-110, .475 Linebaugh, .50-70, .50-90, .50-100, .50-110, and .500 Smith & Wesson.

November 18, 2014, 06:03 PM	#3
riflemen Junior member Join Date: November 18, 2014 Posts: 259	i would stick with the 45-70, I used mine for white tail its a fine rifle for that... Recoil is a little excessive but one shot one deer, bring a pistol for the ks if need be...

November 18, 2014, 10:56 PM	#5
JasoninSD Member Join Date: March 21, 2006 Posts: 86	I'm not sure of the merits of the 375 but the 45/70 should be more than capable of taking any deer you might come across. Exactly how small are these OH deer if .38 spl is a legal cartridge?

November 21, 2014, 10:13 PM	#10
ckpj99 Senior Member Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 386	I wonder if one of those mare's legs in 45 Long Colt firing Hornady Critical Defense would be a good rig. So long as you keep your range within 50 yards, you wouldn't have any accuracy problems, and the darn things are super handy. They aren't too much fun at the range because they're a little awkward to shoot, but for one shot on a deer it might be perfect.

November 22, 2014, 07:53 PM	#11
TimSr Senior Member Join Date: March 8, 2013 Location: Rittman, Ohio Posts: 2,074	Use a 300gr bullet and do starting loads for traditional Springfield, and you'll pretty much have a "Ruger/contender" 45LC equivalent. I wouldn't be surprised to see "rifle caliber pistols" added next year.

November 23, 2014, 12:17 AM	#12
Drm50 Senior Member Join Date: November 10, 2014 Posts: 1,382	45/70 on deer I've got no complaints on power of my 95 , 45/70. I'm shooting a 300 gr. Hp With 58 gr of IMR 3031 and win LR primers in Win cases, at 2000fps. This is redline load for 1895 Marlin (check manual to see what is safe in your gun) I had Lyman 66 recieiver site on it, took off and mounted 3x9 Burris, my eyes ain't what they use to be. My 14 yr. old nephew is using gun today, youth season. I just think it's to much gun for deer.

November 23, 2014, 07:47 PM	#13
ctsdaxx Junior Member Join Date: November 23, 2014 Posts: 1	Anyone testing out the new straightwall cartridges this whitetail season? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- been researching the 460 and 500 S&W a lot lately and cant find much info. Many say just look at the 450 bushmaster but no real info on the calibers I am interested in. I am very curious on ballistics and trajectories for both out of 20" kathadin barrels and also custom 26" barrels. I am looking more at a 460 MGM barrel right now just because of the flatter trajectory but have also seen some custom loads for the 500 that are flat also. I am reloading so ammo cost is no difference just the barrel for my encore. Anyone with ANY info at all I would greatly appreciate it.

November 27, 2014, 11:33 PM	#16
ripnbst Senior Member Join Date: November 24, 2010 Location: Spring, TX Posts: 1,552	If they will only allow cartridges with beach ball trajectories you should introduce them to .300 BLK. You could shoot that out of an AR using standard everything but barrel and be all set.

November 28, 2014, 12:54 AM	#17
Clark Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 1999 Location: WA, the ever blue state Posts: 4,678	357 max throated long could be a 400 yard deer rifle at 10 pounds and 7mmRM level recoil. I was just thinking about that. I need a throater and the long range bullets. I suspect ammo.crafter above has either been doing that or has a simulation program. __________________ The word 'forum" does not mean "not criticizing books." "Ad hominem fallacy" is not the same as point by point criticism of books. If you bought the book, and believe it all, it may FEEL like an ad hominem attack, but you might strive to accept other points of view may exist. Are we a nation of competing ideas, or a nation of forced conformity of thought?