Is this brass reloadable?

aggie_2010 · January 26, 2011, 04:54 PM

I shot the box of factory ammo pictured a while back, and was wondering if the brass could be reloaded now. What I'm concerned about is the factory indention in the middle of the case, which runs around the whole side of the brass. The pictured bass has already been run through my RCBS full length resizing die.

DiscoRacing · January 26, 2011, 04:57 PM

Not a thing wrong with em.... load em and go..

... well..

IF you dont want to load em...send them to me and I will reseach to see if they are good or not

l98ster · January 26, 2011, 04:58 PM

i reload a lot of 38 special with similar rings. I reload that brass with no problem at all!

-George

aggie_2010 · January 26, 2011, 05:04 PM

This is probably a dumb question, but what purpose does the ring serve?

DiscoRacing · January 26, 2011, 05:06 PM

Dont know myself... some have it...some dont..

Rafters182 · January 26, 2011, 05:10 PM

I believe that is the factory crimp, which is on a lot of magnum rounds so that the round will chamber easier in the case that seating the bullet caused too much expansion.

DiscoRacing · January 26, 2011, 05:13 PM

Rafters... no

too far down the case for a crimp ring.

and some of them even have two of the rings.

oneounceload · January 26, 2011, 05:18 PM

A cannelure.

From MidwayUSA:

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Definition for "cannelure":
1. A circumferential groove generally of corrugated appearance cut or impressed into a bullet or cartridge case. The purpose of the cannelure is to hold the bullet in the case and is used when a roll crimp is applied to the bullet; 2. Sometimes used in reference to an extractor groove.

Doodlebugger45 · January 26, 2011, 05:22 PM

We discussed the reason for this ring to no end several months ago. Bottom line is that it doesn't really serve a purpose. Some brass has it some doesn't. Personally, I think it's goofy looking, but as tough as it is to get .45 Colt brass, I sure don't throw them away.

Ideal Tool · January 26, 2011, 05:28 PM

Hello, aggie-2010. One ounce load is right on..that ring is rolled in case to prevent a bullet from being pushed back into case, creating dangerous pressures with the fast-burning smokeless powders used in handguns. Probably goes back to begining of smokeless loading..in a cartridge like a
.44-40, with black powder, the bullet was prevented from being pushed back by case full of powder, & from moving out of case by crimp. When smokeless came along, nothing was there to support bullet. Some .22 L.R. cases have it, but it's just for show.

DiscoRacing · January 26, 2011, 05:40 PM

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that ring is rolled in case to prevent a bullet from being pushed back into case

what bout the ones that have two rings then???
is that so you dont push two bullets back too far??

howlnmad · January 26, 2011, 05:49 PM

Yes disco, it's so two bullets don't get pushed back.

"Send them to me and I will research it". You are such a brass monger.

Size em and load em. After that... go shoot em.

DiscoRacing · January 26, 2011, 06:03 PM

Just FYI ... here are five 38special cases...all five with different level rings..and some have two... they are NOT to set your bullet depth...a cannelure on a bullet IS for depth..and to crimp...but the ones on these cases are NOT.

engineermike · January 26, 2011, 07:12 PM

Aggie;
Don't listen to these guys. Just send me all the brass you have that looks like those in the picture and I'll dispose of them properly. No one needs to get hurt.

Mike

oneounceload · January 26, 2011, 08:26 PM

Some makers, especially with cartridges like 38, might load lead W/C, SWC, or others that need a cannelure. By making ONE brass suitable for loading any of the bullets, they cut mfg. costs. The SWC might use one cannelure, the W/C another, but they can use the brass for a multiple of applications

Kinda like a car maker making one seat belt type that they can use in a variety of models

700cdl · January 26, 2011, 09:31 PM

That ring is used in most magnum revolver cartridges to prevent the bullet from getting seated deeper from recoil.

DiscoRacing · January 26, 2011, 09:34 PM

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most magnum revolver cartridges

Starline must not know about this...

...they dont have any on the 357mag, 44mag, 500mag, and 460mag that I have gotten from them.

Colorado Redneck · January 26, 2011, 09:46 PM

Give forum readers something to argue about.

DiscoRacing · January 26, 2011, 09:47 PM

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Give forum readers something to argue about

Looks as though it works really good too.

zippy13 · January 26, 2011, 10:02 PM

Whatever the purpose my NOS Western and Peters .45 Colt ammo is cannelured in the same location.

howell clark · January 29, 2011, 02:56 PM

hang in there aggie10 do not be afraid to ask any questions no matter how ignorant it might make you feel. we all started the same and lots of questions will help you keep all your fingers. class of 70 here

foochacho · January 29, 2011, 03:23 PM

Strange my winchester 45 colt brass does not have a ring.

drail · January 29, 2011, 04:48 PM

700cdl, recoil in a revolver actually pulls the bullets forward (out of the case) rather than seating them deeper. The cannelures on those cases are there to prevent the bullet from seating any deeper when being assembled or shipped. Some cases that are to be used in factory loading for different bullet styles will have more than one cannelure. They can be reloaded just like any other case.

SVO · January 29, 2011, 11:57 PM

The two cases on the right in your picture were originally loaded with 148 gr wad cutters. Wad cutter was seated flush with the case mouth. Border Patrol used to shoot thousands of these loads.

poline · January 30, 2011, 12:17 AM

" This is probably a dumb question"
Saids the SGT to the private "The only dumb question is the one you don't ask."

January 26, 2011, 04:54 PM	#1
aggie_2010 Member Join Date: January 19, 2011 Location: College Station, Texas Posts: 24	Is this brass reloadable? I shot the box of factory ammo pictured a while back, and was wondering if the brass could be reloaded now. What I'm concerned about is the factory indention in the middle of the case, which runs around the whole side of the brass. The pictured bass has already been run through my RCBS full length resizing die.

January 26, 2011, 04:57 PM	#2
DiscoRacing Senior Member Join Date: December 19, 2008 Location: milton, wv Posts: 3,640	Not a thing wrong with em.... load em and go.. ... well.. IF you dont want to load em...send them to me and I will reseach to see if they are good or not __________________ Desert Eagle Alliance Group Launcher Extraordinaire ______ ----Get Busy Live'n.....Or....Get Busy Die'n......Red -------They call me Dr. Bob,,,, I have a PhD in S&W

January 26, 2011, 05:06 PM	#5
DiscoRacing Senior Member Join Date: December 19, 2008 Location: milton, wv Posts: 3,640	Dont know myself... some have it...some dont.. __________________ Desert Eagle Alliance Group Launcher Extraordinaire ______ ----Get Busy Live'n.....Or....Get Busy Die'n......Red -------They call me Dr. Bob,,,, I have a PhD in S&W

January 26, 2011, 05:13 PM	#7
DiscoRacing Senior Member Join Date: December 19, 2008 Location: milton, wv Posts: 3,640	Rafters... no too far down the case for a crimp ring. and some of them even have two of the rings. __________________ Desert Eagle Alliance Group Launcher Extraordinaire ______ ----Get Busy Live'n.....Or....Get Busy Die'n......Red -------They call me Dr. Bob,,,, I have a PhD in S&W

January 26, 2011, 06:03 PM	#13
DiscoRacing Senior Member Join Date: December 19, 2008 Location: milton, wv Posts: 3,640	Just FYI ... here are five 38special cases...all five with different level rings..and some have two... they are NOT to set your bullet depth...a cannelure on a bullet IS for depth..and to crimp...but the ones on these cases are NOT. __________________ Desert Eagle Alliance Group Launcher Extraordinaire ______ ----Get Busy Live'n.....Or....Get Busy Die'n......Red -------They call me Dr. Bob,,,, I have a PhD in S&W

January 26, 2011, 04:58 PM	#3
l98ster Senior Member Join Date: March 1, 2010 Location: Hopewell Junction, NY Posts: 454	i reload a lot of 38 special with similar rings. I reload that brass with no problem at all! -George

January 26, 2011, 05:04 PM	#4
aggie_2010 Member Join Date: January 19, 2011 Location: College Station, Texas Posts: 24	This is probably a dumb question, but what purpose does the ring serve?

January 26, 2011, 05:10 PM	#6
Rafters182 Junior Member Join Date: October 13, 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 3	I believe that is the factory crimp, which is on a lot of magnum rounds so that the round will chamber easier in the case that seating the bullet caused too much expansion.

January 26, 2011, 05:22 PM	#9
Doodlebugger45 Senior Member Join Date: April 15, 2009 Location: Wyoming Posts: 1,717	We discussed the reason for this ring to no end several months ago. Bottom line is that it doesn't really serve a purpose. Some brass has it some doesn't. Personally, I think it's goofy looking, but as tough as it is to get .45 Colt brass, I sure don't throw them away.

January 26, 2011, 05:28 PM	#10
Ideal Tool Junior member Join Date: October 6, 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,080	Hello, aggie-2010. One ounce load is right on..that ring is rolled in case to prevent a bullet from being pushed back into case, creating dangerous pressures with the fast-burning smokeless powders used in handguns. Probably goes back to begining of smokeless loading..in a cartridge like a .44-40, with black powder, the bullet was prevented from being pushed back by case full of powder, & from moving out of case by crimp. When smokeless came along, nothing was there to support bullet. Some .22 L.R. cases have it, but it's just for show.

January 26, 2011, 05:49 PM	#12
howlnmad Senior Member Join Date: April 29, 2009 Location: Harriman Tn Posts: 424	Yes disco, it's so two bullets don't get pushed back. "Send them to me and I will research it". You are such a brass monger. Size em and load em. After that... go shoot em.

January 26, 2011, 07:12 PM	#14
engineermike Junior member Join Date: March 14, 2010 Location: Oklahaoma City Posts: 538	Aggie; Don't listen to these guys. Just send me all the brass you have that looks like those in the picture and I'll dispose of them properly. No one needs to get hurt. Mike Last edited by engineermike; January 27, 2011 at 07:33 AM.

January 26, 2011, 08:26 PM	#15
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	Some makers, especially with cartridges like 38, might load lead W/C, SWC, or others that need a cannelure. By making ONE brass suitable for loading any of the bullets, they cut mfg. costs. The SWC might use one cannelure, the W/C another, but they can use the brass for a multiple of applications Kinda like a car maker making one seat belt type that they can use in a variety of models

January 26, 2011, 09:31 PM	#16
700cdl Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2010 Posts: 216	That ring is used in most magnum revolver cartridges to prevent the bullet from getting seated deeper from recoil.

January 26, 2011, 09:46 PM	#18
Colorado Redneck Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2008 Location: Northeast Colorado Posts: 1,993	The purpose of the ring indentions in brass is: Give forum readers something to argue about.

January 26, 2011, 10:02 PM	#20
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	Whatever the purpose my NOS Western and Peters .45 Colt ammo is cannelured in the same location.

January 29, 2011, 02:56 PM	#21
howell clark Junior Member Join Date: June 23, 2009 Location: cleburne tx Posts: 1	hang in there aggie10 do not be afraid to ask any questions no matter how ignorant it might make you feel. we all started the same and lots of questions will help you keep all your fingers. class of 70 here Last edited by howell clark; January 29, 2011 at 03:12 PM. Reason: spelling

January 29, 2011, 03:23 PM	#22
foochacho Member Join Date: January 21, 2011 Posts: 43	Strange my winchester 45 colt brass does not have a ring.

January 29, 2011, 04:48 PM	#23
drail Junior member Join Date: February 2, 2008 Posts: 3,150	700cdl, recoil in a revolver actually pulls the bullets forward (out of the case) rather than seating them deeper. The cannelures on those cases are there to prevent the bullet from seating any deeper when being assembled or shipped. Some cases that are to be used in factory loading for different bullet styles will have more than one cannelure. They can be reloaded just like any other case.

January 29, 2011, 11:57 PM	#24
SVO Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2009 Location: Texas Gulf Coast Posts: 728	DiscoRacing... The two cases on the right in your picture were originally loaded with 148 gr wad cutters. Wad cutter was seated flush with the case mouth. Border Patrol used to shoot thousands of these loads.

January 30, 2011, 12:17 AM	#25
poline Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2009 Location: Richmond,Va Posts: 292	" This is probably a dumb question" Saids the SGT to the private "The only dumb question is the one you don't ask."