shopping for new shotgun

cmo630 · June 5, 2010, 10:23 AM

ok, i've been saving my cabelas points for a while and am looking to purchase a new shotgun. i'm looking for something to shoot some skeet and take in the woods. but, i'm far from a pro at either activity. like to shoot skeet w/ buddies and do a little small game hunting. let me tell you my specs and you tell me your suggestions.
[*]price: 1200 max[*]12 ga[*]auto loader[*]traditional style: high gloss walnut, blued bbl[*]versatile 2 3/4 aqnd 3"

i prefer remington, but most of the 1100s are geared toward pigeons. the g3 is nice, but i want a solid wood stock. i like the 1100 sporting - any thoughts? also like the browning silver lightning. if i buy one geared more toward pigeons, thats ok - but i definitely want to be able cycle 2 3/4 and 3" with no problems. i can always use my rem 870 wing master 16 for sm game hunting.

i appreciate your feedback.

krimmie · June 5, 2010, 02:28 PM

Check out the Beretta 3901 Statesman, it is blued with walnut stocks...2 3/4 or 3". I believe Bud's has them for $823.00 shipped.

http://www.berettausa.com/photos/390...sman/2010/2/4/

Remington's fit me well, and I've been looking for a 2 3/4" Sporting or Sporting Clays model, and have seen plenty of lightly used 1187 Premiers for around $500-550.

zippy13 · June 5, 2010, 03:02 PM

Greetings cmo630, and welcome aboard

For a Skeet auto-loader, Beretta captured Remington's dominance of the market several years ago. At one time the autos you saw on the Skeet fields were R-1100's now the Berettas are the competitors' choice. Beretta's success is do to a gas system that is a generation newer than the 1100's. I'm an 1100 owner, but for a new gun I'd look at a Beretta.

Unfortunately, a new Beretta (non-3901) is beyond your budget and they don't meet your requirement for a high gloss walnut stock. Your specs generally describe a target gun and target guns are typically tailored for light loads of the 2-3/4 inch variety. A target shooter doesn't want the extra weight and the slower speed of a 3" action. Not many high gloss stocks and shiny blue finishes are found on field guns these days, most hunters want matte and camo.

Before the requirements for non-toxic shot, most folks were happy in the woods with a 2-3/4" chamber. It was the extra capacity need to accommodate steel shot that made the 3" chambers popular and now almost a requirement for a field gun. I was in a big box sporting goods store earlier in the year and they didn't have any 2-3/4" turkey loads. The noob at the counter wasn't unaware that old guns and new target guns generally don't have 3" chambers.

If you've been following this forum for a while, you'll have seen reports that auto guns advertised as shooting various length of 12-ga shells don't function well with light 2-3/4" loads. If you're going to be shooting Skeet, there's a chance that you'll want to try out the lighter loads. Make sure your gun will handle them. If you want to shoot 2-3/4 and 3" shells indiscriminately, think about getting an O/U.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, based on your specs, you'll probably be happier with a 2-3/4" chamber in an R-1100 Sporting for Skeet and upland shooting and a different 3" gun for bigger birds and game.

Good luck!

BigJimP · June 7, 2010, 02:26 PM

Welcome - and a +1 on Zippys sage remarks ....

But the Browning Silver series guns look like they will fit your criteria. I saw a Browning Silve Hunter model, 12ga, 3" chamber in 28" and 30" barrel priced new for just under $ 900 ...yesterday in Sportsman's Warehouse / Wholesale Sports and I would think Cabelas would be about the same price on that gun.

http://www.browning.com/products/cat...unter-firearms

I think it might make a good entry level gun for you to shoot some Skeet and do some hunting with.

oneounceload · June 7, 2010, 03:20 PM

One thing I would add is to go your local gun club and borrow several types to try out. Find which one fits the best- cosmetics can always be upgraded later - and go from there. Shooting very light loads for skeet can give some semis a run for their money as far as working the action goes, and heavy loads just beat you up after a while. I have seen folks now downloading 12 gauge to 28 gauge levels using 3/4oz of shot, but they shoot O/U's.

Determine your main priority and go from there.

BigJimP · June 7, 2010, 03:28 PM

When you shop for a new gun / you have some experience - but remember "Fit" is the absolute most important thing. You need to know which stock dimensions fit you / so the gun will hit where you look. Not all guns are the same / so the drop at comb, drop at heel, length of pull, etc are all really big deals --- and way more important than who makes the gun.

There are an awful lot of used guns out there too. The club I was at yesterday had at least 15 guns for sale on their bulletin board ( and that's common).

drjjpdc · June 7, 2010, 04:40 PM

Well it looks like you have the autos covered. Allow me to suggest a very cool O/U by Marlin, an LC Smith. 28", good for skeet and hunting normally slightly over a thousand at Bud's, here's a new one at GB $795.00 to start and a buy now of $895. Beautiful looking gun.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=172290605

cmo630 · June 8, 2010, 10:43 AM

Thanks for the input. I'm going to look into a few of the others y'all mentioned and spend lots of time handling to find the right fit.

June 5, 2010, 10:23 AM	#1
cmo630 Junior Member Join Date: June 5, 2010 Posts: 2	shopping for new shotgun ok, i've been saving my cabelas points for a while and am looking to purchase a new shotgun. i'm looking for something to shoot some skeet and take in the woods. but, i'm far from a pro at either activity. like to shoot skeet w/ buddies and do a little small game hunting. let me tell you my specs and you tell me your suggestions. []price: 1200 max[]12 ga[]auto loader[]traditional style: high gloss walnut, blued bbl[*]versatile 2 3/4 aqnd 3" i prefer remington, but most of the 1100s are geared toward pigeons. the g3 is nice, but i want a solid wood stock. i like the 1100 sporting - any thoughts? also like the browning silver lightning. if i buy one geared more toward pigeons, thats ok - but i definitely want to be able cycle 2 3/4 and 3" with no problems. i can always use my rem 870 wing master 16 for sm game hunting. i appreciate your feedback.

June 7, 2010, 04:40 PM	#7
drjjpdc Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: Wrightstown, NJ Posts: 181	new shotgun Well it looks like you have the autos covered. Allow me to suggest a very cool O/U by Marlin, an LC Smith. 28", good for skeet and hunting normally slightly over a thousand at Bud's, here's a new one at GB $795.00 to start and a buy now of $895. Beautiful looking gun. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=172290605 __________________ "And some like two guns. But one's all you need if you can use it..."

June 5, 2010, 02:28 PM	#2
krimmie Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2007 Location: S. Florida Posts: 280	Check out the Beretta 3901 Statesman, it is blued with walnut stocks...2 3/4 or 3". I believe Bud's has them for $823.00 shipped. http://www.berettausa.com/photos/390...sman/2010/2/4/ Remington's fit me well, and I've been looking for a 2 3/4" Sporting or Sporting Clays model, and have seen plenty of lightly used 1187 Premiers for around $500-550.

June 5, 2010, 03:02 PM	#3
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	Greetings cmo630, and welcome aboard For a Skeet auto-loader, Beretta captured Remington's dominance of the market several years ago. At one time the autos you saw on the Skeet fields were R-1100's now the Berettas are the competitors' choice. Beretta's success is do to a gas system that is a generation newer than the 1100's. I'm an 1100 owner, but for a new gun I'd look at a Beretta. Unfortunately, a new Beretta (non-3901) is beyond your budget and they don't meet your requirement for a high gloss walnut stock. Your specs generally describe a target gun and target guns are typically tailored for light loads of the 2-3/4 inch variety. A target shooter doesn't want the extra weight and the slower speed of a 3" action. Not many high gloss stocks and shiny blue finishes are found on field guns these days, most hunters want matte and camo. Before the requirements for non-toxic shot, most folks were happy in the woods with a 2-3/4" chamber. It was the extra capacity need to accommodate steel shot that made the 3" chambers popular and now almost a requirement for a field gun. I was in a big box sporting goods store earlier in the year and they didn't have any 2-3/4" turkey loads. The noob at the counter wasn't unaware that old guns and new target guns generally don't have 3" chambers. If you've been following this forum for a while, you'll have seen reports that auto guns advertised as shooting various length of 12-ga shells don't function well with light 2-3/4" loads. If you're going to be shooting Skeet, there's a chance that you'll want to try out the lighter loads. Make sure your gun will handle them. If you want to shoot 2-3/4 and 3" shells indiscriminately, think about getting an O/U. I guess what I'm trying to say is, based on your specs, you'll probably be happier with a 2-3/4" chamber in an R-1100 Sporting for Skeet and upland shooting and a different 3" gun for bigger birds and game. Good luck!

June 7, 2010, 02:26 PM	#4
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 13,195	Welcome - and a +1 on Zippys sage remarks .... But the Browning Silver series guns look like they will fit your criteria. I saw a Browning Silve Hunter model, 12ga, 3" chamber in 28" and 30" barrel priced new for just under $ 900 ...yesterday in Sportsman's Warehouse / Wholesale Sports and I would think Cabelas would be about the same price on that gun. http://www.browning.com/products/cat...unter-firearms I think it might make a good entry level gun for you to shoot some Skeet and do some hunting with.

June 7, 2010, 03:20 PM	#5
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	One thing I would add is to go your local gun club and borrow several types to try out. Find which one fits the best- cosmetics can always be upgraded later - and go from there. Shooting very light loads for skeet can give some semis a run for their money as far as working the action goes, and heavy loads just beat you up after a while. I have seen folks now downloading 12 gauge to 28 gauge levels using 3/4oz of shot, but they shoot O/U's. Determine your main priority and go from there.

June 7, 2010, 03:28 PM	#6
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 13,195	When you shop for a new gun / you have some experience - but remember "Fit" is the absolute most important thing. You need to know which stock dimensions fit you / so the gun will hit where you look. Not all guns are the same / so the drop at comb, drop at heel, length of pull, etc are all really big deals --- and way more important than who makes the gun. There are an awful lot of used guns out there too. The club I was at yesterday had at least 15 guns for sale on their bulletin board ( and that's common).

June 8, 2010, 10:43 AM	#8
cmo630 Junior Member Join Date: June 5, 2010 Posts: 2	Thanks for the input. I'm going to look into a few of the others y'all mentioned and spend lots of time handling to find the right fit.