Is your home defense shotgun pump or semi-auto? - Page 5

Death from Afar · April 23, 2006, 03:45 PM

Some shotguns -autos- will not operate unless held against the shoulder. I understand that that is why Benellis are not being used in Iraq as you cant use them as a door breaching gun....any one know about this?

FirstFreedom · April 24, 2006, 12:39 PM

On page 1 it was 79%/21%, and on page 5 it still is. I think we've found a consistent number. Funny how some think that the pump is terrible, and the semis rule, and some think that semis blow and pumps are the only possible choice. Neither of those extremes are true. Pumps are ever-so-slightly more reliable than a semi-auto, but modern semi-autos are very reliable when used with the ammo they are designed for, and kept clean. This is, after all, by definition, a house gun that will be clean and at room temperature, not used in some extreme environment. I think cops use pumps primarily because their departments don't have to blow as much of the budget to buy them. But they do have a slight edge in reliability as well. Mine is a semi-auto at the moment, but I've had pumps by the bedside as well. I'll probably never have to use it, but if I do, I want to be able to lay down a massive wall of lead in a very short time. And oh, pumps most certainly are not faster than a semi. They are VERY fast in capable hands, and only the smallest smidgeon slower than a semi, but slower nonetheless.

FirstFreedom · April 24, 2006, 12:42 PM

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Some shotguns -autos- will not operate unless held against the shoulder. I understand that that is why Benellis are not being used in Iraq as you cant use them as a door breaching gun....any one know about this?

DFA, that may very well be true with inertia-driven guns like the Benelli autos, but I do not think that it is true at all with gas guns. I've seen videos of people shooting the Beretta extrema 2 for example, one-handed, out away from the body, with no problems.

valsj · April 25, 2006, 05:20 AM

im also thinking of buying a shotgun. i think its more reliable when when more than one people break into the house. I think my wife just need to aim it and fire unlike the handgun i bought. I prefer armscor again beacuse the parts is widely available in my country.

John G · April 27, 2006, 02:11 AM

Remington 1100, factory synthetic stock, slug barrel.

longbaugh · April 27, 2006, 04:21 AM

Benelli m1-90 holds 9rds surefire frontend 6rd shotgun card velcroed to the side of the receiver and 6 more cards in pouch on plate carrier.

popsnoob · April 27, 2006, 03:23 PM

Remington 870 synthetic with mag ext.
It was cheap and it has been 100% reliable.
-pops

mad_dawg · April 30, 2006, 02:27 AM

benelli super black eagle primary use is waterfowl but would be used if necessary

miscusi · April 30, 2006, 04:39 AM

I said pump with no shotgun in the house. only because the permit for longarms is taking a while, but when I do get it, its gonna be either the 870 express or the maverick 88.

I cant justify the cost of the semi autos for something that may or may not be used, and also I am a cheap bastard.

Renfield · June 3, 2006, 01:56 PM

Winchester Defender

dogngun · June 3, 2006, 04:47 PM

12ga sxs double, 18 1/4" barrel. Couldn't vote, sorry.
I have had autos and pumps before.

Mark

Pops 1 · June 3, 2006, 09:32 PM

Maverick 88 18'' barrel 12 guage. Pops

sm · June 3, 2006, 09:51 PM

At the moment...
NEF Youth Model 20 ga single shot.

Then again, gimme a shotgun, pump, semi, SXS, O/U or single shot.

Software not Hardware .

Steve

BobK · June 3, 2006, 09:55 PM

870 here with a Knox Specops stock, pistol grip fore end, mag extention, side saddle, and Streamlight M3 light.

akr · June 4, 2006, 02:05 AM

I use a Mossberg 500. I have other shotguns, but it's the only one that I bought an 18 1/2" bbl. for. The others are 26" or longer.

BLKLABMAN · June 4, 2006, 03:14 PM

Death from Afar,
I have heard of this, but cannot relate. I own a SBE, SBE II, and a M2. With light target loads, along with 3" and 3.5 hunting loads all will fire from the hip and one handed just fine without any malfunctions. I know this because I was wanting to see if I could make them jam, under such circumstances. I could not.

mad dawg,
We think alike.
I keep a SA 1911 on my side, along with the 24" SBE loaded with 3.5 1550fps BB's. They are my goose loads, but should serve well if ever needed.

Katrina Guy · July 2, 2006, 04:08 PM

Hello for starters, just registered here today.
I'm considering a WInchester Defender, a model 1300 I beleive it's called, partically based this choice on these forums, comparing to the Mossberg equivelent.
Now then, my big question is this, how functional is any riot gun but especially the Winchester Defender with a pistol grip? Seems like one would easily end up with a shotgun receiver in one's face due to the recoil, unless shooting from the hip which looks cool in movies but doubt in reality under heavy stress one would actually hit target.
I ask this question as I like the idea of a very mobile and compact shotgun, i.e. no stock on the back end.
Thanks for listening and hope ya'll give me some viable feedback.
Katrina Guy (from New Orleans)

Katrina Guy · July 2, 2006, 04:09 PM

Hello for starters, just registered here today.
I'm considering a WInchester Defender, a model 1300 I beleive it's called, partically based this choice on these forums, comparing to the Mossberg equivelent.
Now then, my big question is this, how functional is any riot gun but especially the Winchester Defender with a pistol grip? Seems like one would easily end up with a shotgun receiver in one's face due to the recoil, unless shooting from the hip which looks cool in movies but doubt in reality under heavy stress one would actually hit target.
I ask this question as I like the idea of a very mobile and compact shotgun, i.e. no stock on the back end.
Thanks for listening and hope ya'll give me some viable feedback.
Katrina Guy (from New Orleans)

Lycanthrope · July 2, 2006, 05:26 PM

Welcome.

I find a shotgun with a short barrel and full stock to be very fast save for the most confined spaces. I also find the full stocked guns to be faster beyond 5 yards. Under that, and the riot gun has it's place. Felt recoil isn't that bad because you aren't sighting it as much as you're just pointing at that range. You won't have it up by your face in most instances.

Have you considered a folding stock?

Katrina Guy · July 2, 2006, 06:31 PM

No I hadn't considered a folding stock.
I have noticed on the Winchester website that they do offer a Defender model with both full stock and the pistol grip. Perhaps that is what I'll do, decide after a shoot a box of shells.
Not sure what these Defenders go for at a sporting goods/dept. store, guess I'll call around this coming week.
Glad to hear that the recall is doable in the pistol grip version.
thanks
ps-doubt if 12 guage 3" magnums are needed huh?

8's trigger hits · July 2, 2006, 06:34 PM

Mosberg 500

ATW525 · July 2, 2006, 07:07 PM

Maverick 88. I'd only use a pump for HD because there's a little one to worry about. With a pump I can keep it secured with an empty chamber and full tube in a rack on the wall with a lock behind the pump so the action can't worked until it's unlocked.

Lycanthrope · July 2, 2006, 08:41 PM

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ps-doubt if 12 guage 3" magnums are needed huh?

Not really. I opt for an extra round by using the 2 3/4" magnums. Get yourself a good sidesaddle shell holder and you're good to go.

kansas45 · July 9, 2006, 08:44 AM

I voted semi-auto. Actually I use both but I like my Winchester 1400 the best.

Odd-Job · July 9, 2006, 09:00 AM

Mossberg mod.500 with Knoxx ind.stock.

View Poll Results: Pump or Semi-auto home defense shotgun?
Semi-auto	80	18.10%
Pump	362	81.90%
Voters: 442. You may not vote on this poll

July 2, 2006, 04:08 PM	#117
Katrina Guy Junior member Join Date: July 2, 2006 Posts: 315	Winchester Defender w/pistol grip? Hello for starters, just registered here today. I'm considering a WInchester Defender, a model 1300 I beleive it's called, partically based this choice on these forums, comparing to the Mossberg equivelent. Now then, my big question is this, how functional is any riot gun but especially the Winchester Defender with a pistol grip? Seems like one would easily end up with a shotgun receiver in one's face due to the recoil, unless shooting from the hip which looks cool in movies but doubt in reality under heavy stress one would actually hit target. I ask this question as I like the idea of a very mobile and compact shotgun, i.e. no stock on the back end. Thanks for listening and hope ya'll give me some viable feedback. Katrina Guy (from New Orleans)

July 2, 2006, 04:09 PM	#118
Katrina Guy Junior member Join Date: July 2, 2006 Posts: 315	Katrina Guy Hello for starters, just registered here today. I'm considering a WInchester Defender, a model 1300 I beleive it's called, partically based this choice on these forums, comparing to the Mossberg equivelent. Now then, my big question is this, how functional is any riot gun but especially the Winchester Defender with a pistol grip? Seems like one would easily end up with a shotgun receiver in one's face due to the recoil, unless shooting from the hip which looks cool in movies but doubt in reality under heavy stress one would actually hit target. I ask this question as I like the idea of a very mobile and compact shotgun, i.e. no stock on the back end. Thanks for listening and hope ya'll give me some viable feedback. Katrina Guy (from New Orleans) Last edited by Katrina Guy; July 2, 2006 at 04:10 PM. Reason: Double Posted

July 2, 2006, 06:34 PM	#121
8's trigger hits Junior Member Join Date: June 20, 2006 Location: northwoods Posts: 14	pump Mosberg 500

April 23, 2006, 03:45 PM	#101
Death from Afar Senior Member Join Date: November 7, 2004 Location: Living the dream in Christchurch, NEW ZEALAND Posts: 1,635	Some shotguns -autos- will not operate unless held against the shoulder. I understand that that is why Benellis are not being used in Iraq as you cant use them as a door breaching gun....any one know about this?

April 24, 2006, 12:39 PM	#102
FirstFreedom Junior member Join Date: May 31, 2004 Location: The Toll Road State, U.S.A. Posts: 12,451	On page 1 it was 79%/21%, and on page 5 it still is. I think we've found a consistent number. Funny how some think that the pump is terrible, and the semis rule, and some think that semis blow and pumps are the only possible choice. Neither of those extremes are true. Pumps are ever-so-slightly more reliable than a semi-auto, but modern semi-autos are very reliable when used with the ammo they are designed for, and kept clean. This is, after all, by definition, a house gun that will be clean and at room temperature, not used in some extreme environment. I think cops use pumps primarily because their departments don't have to blow as much of the budget to buy them. But they do have a slight edge in reliability as well. Mine is a semi-auto at the moment, but I've had pumps by the bedside as well. I'll probably never have to use it, but if I do, I want to be able to lay down a massive wall of lead in a very short time. And oh, pumps most certainly are not faster than a semi. They are VERY fast in capable hands, and only the smallest smidgeon slower than a semi, but slower nonetheless.

April 25, 2006, 05:20 AM	#104
valsj Junior Member Join Date: April 23, 2006 Location: manila,phillipines Posts: 3	im also thinking of buying a shotgun. i think its more reliable when when more than one people break into the house. I think my wife just need to aim it and fire unlike the handgun i bought. I prefer armscor again beacuse the parts is widely available in my country.

April 27, 2006, 02:11 AM	#105
John G Senior Member Join Date: March 27, 1999 Location: Western NY Posts: 250	Remington 1100, factory synthetic stock, slug barrel.

April 27, 2006, 04:21 AM	#106
longbaugh Member Join Date: June 25, 2005 Location: SC Posts: 25	Benelli m1-90 holds 9rds surefire frontend 6rd shotgun card velcroed to the side of the receiver and 6 more cards in pouch on plate carrier.

April 27, 2006, 03:23 PM	#107
popsnoob Junior Member Join Date: April 26, 2006 Location: knoxville Posts: 13	Remington 870 synthetic with mag ext. It was cheap and it has been 100% reliable. -pops

April 30, 2006, 02:27 AM	#108
mad_dawg Junior Member Join Date: March 16, 2006 Posts: 9	benelli super black eagle primary use is waterfowl but would be used if necessary

April 30, 2006, 04:39 AM	#109
miscusi Junior member Join Date: April 2, 2006 Location: New York City Posts: 217	I said pump with no shotgun in the house. only because the permit for longarms is taking a while, but when I do get it, its gonna be either the 870 express or the maverick 88. I cant justify the cost of the semi autos for something that may or may not be used, and also I am a cheap bastard.

June 3, 2006, 01:56 PM	#110
Renfield Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2006 Location: just down the street Posts: 599	Winchester Defender

June 3, 2006, 04:47 PM	#111
dogngun Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2002 Location: South east PA Posts: 570	12ga sxs double, 18 1/4" barrel. Couldn't vote, sorry. I have had autos and pumps before. Mark

June 3, 2006, 09:32 PM	#112
Pops 1 Senior Member Join Date: April 28, 2006 Location: Central Louisiana Posts: 141	Maverick 88 18'' barrel 12 guage. Pops

June 3, 2006, 09:51 PM	#113
sm Senior Member Join Date: February 5, 2002 Posts: 1,819	At the moment... NEF Youth Model 20 ga single shot. Then again, gimme a shotgun, pump, semi, SXS, O/U or single shot. Software not Hardware . Steve

June 3, 2006, 09:55 PM	#114
BobK Senior Member Join Date: June 19, 2005 Posts: 838	870 here with a Knox Specops stock, pistol grip fore end, mag extention, side saddle, and Streamlight M3 light.

June 4, 2006, 02:05 AM	#115
akr Senior Member Join Date: March 6, 2006 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,379	I use a Mossberg 500. I have other shotguns, but it's the only one that I bought an 18 1/2" bbl. for. The others are 26" or longer.

June 4, 2006, 03:14 PM	#116
BLKLABMAN Senior Member Join Date: January 9, 2005 Location: Georgia Posts: 230	Death from Afar, I have heard of this, but cannot relate. I own a SBE, SBE II, and a M2. With light target loads, along with 3" and 3.5 hunting loads all will fire from the hip and one handed just fine without any malfunctions. I know this because I was wanting to see if I could make them jam, under such circumstances. I could not. mad dawg, We think alike. I keep a SA 1911 on my side, along with the 24" SBE loaded with 3.5 1550fps BB's. They are my goose loads, but should serve well if ever needed.

July 2, 2006, 05:26 PM	#119
Lycanthrope Senior Member Join Date: October 1, 2001 Location: PA Posts: 1,752	Welcome. I find a shotgun with a short barrel and full stock to be very fast save for the most confined spaces. I also find the full stocked guns to be faster beyond 5 yards. Under that, and the riot gun has it's place. Felt recoil isn't that bad because you aren't sighting it as much as you're just pointing at that range. You won't have it up by your face in most instances. Have you considered a folding stock?

July 2, 2006, 06:31 PM	#120
Katrina Guy Junior member Join Date: July 2, 2006 Posts: 315	No I hadn't considered a folding stock. I have noticed on the Winchester website that they do offer a Defender model with both full stock and the pistol grip. Perhaps that is what I'll do, decide after a shoot a box of shells. Not sure what these Defenders go for at a sporting goods/dept. store, guess I'll call around this coming week. Glad to hear that the recall is doable in the pistol grip version. thanks ps-doubt if 12 guage 3" magnums are needed huh?

July 2, 2006, 07:07 PM	#122
ATW525 Senior Member Join Date: March 14, 2005 Location: Concord, NH Posts: 2,723	Maverick 88. I'd only use a pump for HD because there's a little one to worry about. With a pump I can keep it secured with an empty chamber and full tube in a rack on the wall with a lock behind the pump so the action can't worked until it's unlocked.

July 9, 2006, 08:44 AM	#124
kansas45 Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2006 Location: Southern Kansas, near I-35 Posts: 142	I voted semi-auto. Actually I use both but I like my Winchester 1400 the best.

July 9, 2006, 09:00 AM	#125
Odd-Job Junior member Join Date: July 9, 2006 Location: No.Nev. Posts: 83	Mossberg mod.500 with Knoxx ind.stock.