Had a kind of Kaboom today - Page 3

Phaskins · January 30, 2015, 09:08 AM

Update

Both guns are on the way to S&W.

Ammo on the way to Summit. Summit sates overpressure - no explanation as of yet.

Now just waiting for analysis.

Afterthought, wish I would have looked carefully at both guns with a magnifier. We both found tiny pieces of material in out face. Non-magnetic but not even able to tell if plastic, brass or steel. Pin head size tiny or smaller.

Needed CSI

FlySubCompact · March 14, 2015, 02:19 PM

Just an update. Smith found the mag catch was damaged on my Bodyguard and replaced it. It still worked, but the kaboom did take a tad off the catch tip. Got it back yesterday via FedEx. Ran about 50 rounds of various plinker and self defense rounds through it with no problems. (no Summits)

If it functions fine after another 200 trial rounds I think I'm going to keep it. It is a nice shooting little gun for a .380.

Phaskins · March 14, 2015, 02:32 PM

Finally - have all mine resolved. S&W took forever to reply (via snail mail) that they were un-repairable. They offered a replacement price higher than the local shop. A couple days later I get an email and tracking ID that they had received them. S&W seemingly has some issues

A few major snow storms probably contributed to the time required.

Summit paid for replacements. Had them to the range once, 100 or so thru each and zero issues. No fte, ftf, stovepipes, etc. Other 380 have not been so "kind". Wife has some issues with the long trigger pull, but some snap cap time should work that out.

Local GS had had these on a sale in Jan. Sold over a pallet load at 259. Had several that did the same with Summit.

Love to know how many and if any other than Bodyguards did the same.

FlySubCompact · March 15, 2015, 03:24 AM

Glad yours was resolved, Phaskins. Judging by your pics, I got out easy with the kaboom.

Dreaming100Straight · March 17, 2015, 08:44 PM

It is all once fired police brass reloads per comments to this youtube video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJO9lHzf3M0

orionengnr · September 13, 2015, 04:45 PM

Bit of a punctuation problem?

L-2 · September 13, 2015, 06:10 PM

I'm reading this thread a bit late since it was first generated.
I'd not heard of this ammo brand previously and went to its website.
There's now a recall of .380 ammo
http://www.summitammunition.com/ammoinfo.htm

with specific lot numbers:
"Summit Ammunition is recalling the following lots of 380 Ammunition:
Lot #s: 1785, 1787, 1791, 1803, 1809, 1817, 1849, 1855, 1879, 1895, 1900.

It is possible that some cartridges from these lots may exhibit excessive chamber pressure. Use of this product may result in firearm damage, or personal injury.

Discontinue use immediately, and contact Summit Ammunition for information on obtaining replacement ammunition at no cost to you."

745SW · September 13, 2015, 07:16 PM

This ammo has been a Skicky in this handgun semi-auto area since Feb of this year. I imagin the 380ACP can be overloaded compared to the 9mm. The latter is over built and can take a broad range of energy. Still an overload is not a good thing.

sliclee · November 2, 2015, 04:04 PM

You say you find nothing wrong, I found several places found their ammo in plastic baggies of 100, 200, plastic small boxes and almost all had mixed head stamps.
Arnt the mixed heads enough evidence of not new ammo?
How about the use of plastic guns.
Glock, the gun, has almost never been shot as much as it is happening now.
The police almost never shoot their guns as much as civilians do.
Glocks have never been used as much until now. Im not knocking the firm in any way, just stating facts. Most cops carry their guns for 10 years and never fire more than 20 or 30 rounds. Here we are firing more rounds in one day than most glocks in a year or three.

9x18_Walther · November 2, 2015, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Glock, the gun, has almost never been shot as much as it is happening now.

SWAT units, the manufactures, and military forces have fired Glocks extensively without major issues.

If it goes ka-boom, it's either an ammo issue or a QC issue with the pistol. Made properly (which they are 99.999% of the time), Glocks can take a ridiculous amount of abuse.

rpseraph · November 6, 2015, 03:33 PM

I had a kaboom of my own when I was new to shooting. Thankfully it was with a .22LR and not anything scarier. Remington 597, Remington ammo (I know now, I didn't then). Inside the first 50 rounds of the 1st Remington rifle, a round exploded in the chamber. Ears rang, extracter blew out. I sent the ammo and rifle to Remington, they mailed me a new rifle and a nwe box of Remington ammo. Went out, 4th round through, exploded. Same thing. Again, Remington, new rifle... and this time they sent me a gift card for different ammo! I couldn't get them to admit that their ammo was crap, but just Google "Remington 22 ammo" and you'll read 100's of stories of terrible Remington ammo.

Maybe dumb, but I do continue to use the 597, but I will never again buy Remington ammunition. I have heard their other ammo is OK, and that the 22LR is their weakpoint, but I won't risk it!

**Aguila Blanca** · November 6, 2015, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 745SW

This ammo has been a Skicky in this handgun semi-auto area since Feb of this year. I imagin the 380ACP can be overloaded compared to the 9mm. The latter is over built and can take a broad range of energy.

That's an interesting concept. Since I reload for both 9mm and .380 Auto, I'm concerned. Could you explain how 9mm is "overbuilt" compared to .380 Auto?

November 2, 2015, 04:04 PM	#59
sliclee Member Join Date: June 4, 2015 Posts: 16	ammo & plastic guns You say you find nothing wrong, I found several places found their ammo in plastic baggies of 100, 200, plastic small boxes and almost all had mixed head stamps. Arnt the mixed heads enough evidence of not new ammo? How about the use of plastic guns. Glock, the gun, has almost never been shot as much as it is happening now. The police almost never shoot their guns as much as civilians do. Glocks have never been used as much until now. Im not knocking the firm in any way, just stating facts. Most cops carry their guns for 10 years and never fire more than 20 or 30 rounds. Here we are firing more rounds in one day than most glocks in a year or three.

January 30, 2015, 09:08 AM	#51
Phaskins Junior Member Join Date: January 25, 2015 Posts: 6	Update Both guns are on the way to S&W. Ammo on the way to Summit. Summit sates overpressure - no explanation as of yet. Now just waiting for analysis. Afterthought, wish I would have looked carefully at both guns with a magnifier. We both found tiny pieces of material in out face. Non-magnetic but not even able to tell if plastic, brass or steel. Pin head size tiny or smaller. Needed CSI

March 14, 2015, 02:19 PM	#52
FlySubCompact Senior Member Join Date: February 16, 2012 Posts: 306	Just an update. Smith found the mag catch was damaged on my Bodyguard and replaced it. It still worked, but the kaboom did take a tad off the catch tip. Got it back yesterday via FedEx. Ran about 50 rounds of various plinker and self defense rounds through it with no problems. (no Summits) If it functions fine after another 200 trial rounds I think I'm going to keep it. It is a nice shooting little gun for a .380.

March 14, 2015, 02:32 PM	#53
Phaskins Junior Member Join Date: January 25, 2015 Posts: 6	Finally - have all mine resolved. S&W took forever to reply (via snail mail) that they were un-repairable. They offered a replacement price higher than the local shop. A couple days later I get an email and tracking ID that they had received them. S&W seemingly has some issues A few major snow storms probably contributed to the time required. Summit paid for replacements. Had them to the range once, 100 or so thru each and zero issues. No fte, ftf, stovepipes, etc. Other 380 have not been so "kind". Wife has some issues with the long trigger pull, but some snap cap time should work that out. Local GS had had these on a sale in Jan. Sold over a pallet load at 259. Had several that did the same with Summit. Love to know how many and if any other than Bodyguards did the same.

March 15, 2015, 03:24 AM	#54
FlySubCompact Senior Member Join Date: February 16, 2012 Posts: 306	Glad yours was resolved, Phaskins. Judging by your pics, I got out easy with the kaboom.

March 17, 2015, 08:44 PM	#55
Dreaming100Straight Senior Member Join Date: February 3, 2013 Posts: 1,235	It is all once fired police brass reloads per comments to this youtube video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJO9lHzf3M0

September 13, 2015, 04:45 PM	#56
orionengnr Senior Member Join Date: July 9, 2004 Posts: 5,213	Bit of a punctuation problem?

September 13, 2015, 06:10 PM	#57
L-2 Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2004 Location: Nevada Posts: 547	I'm reading this thread a bit late since it was first generated. I'd not heard of this ammo brand previously and went to its website. There's now a recall of .380 ammo http://www.summitammunition.com/ammoinfo.htm with specific lot numbers: "Summit Ammunition is recalling the following lots of 380 Ammunition: Lot #s: 1785, 1787, 1791, 1803, 1809, 1817, 1849, 1855, 1879, 1895, 1900. It is possible that some cartridges from these lots may exhibit excessive chamber pressure. Use of this product may result in firearm damage, or personal injury. Discontinue use immediately, and contact Summit Ammunition for information on obtaining replacement ammunition at no cost to you."

September 13, 2015, 07:16 PM	#58
745SW Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2011 Location: California Posts: 776	This ammo has been a Skicky in this handgun semi-auto area since Feb of this year. I imagin the 380ACP can be overloaded compared to the 9mm. The latter is over built and can take a broad range of energy. Still an overload is not a good thing.

November 6, 2015, 03:33 PM	#61
rpseraph Senior Member Join Date: October 23, 2015 Location: MinneSNOWta Posts: 454	I had a kaboom of my own when I was new to shooting. Thankfully it was with a .22LR and not anything scarier. Remington 597, Remington ammo (I know now, I didn't then). Inside the first 50 rounds of the 1st Remington rifle, a round exploded in the chamber. Ears rang, extracter blew out. I sent the ammo and rifle to Remington, they mailed me a new rifle and a nwe box of Remington ammo. Went out, 4th round through, exploded. Same thing. Again, Remington, new rifle... and this time they sent me a gift card for different ammo! I couldn't get them to admit that their ammo was crap, but just Google "Remington 22 ammo" and you'll read 100's of stories of terrible Remington ammo. Maybe dumb, but I do continue to use the 597, but I will never again buy Remington ammunition. I have heard their other ammo is OK, and that the 22LR is their weakpoint, but I won't risk it!